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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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I noticed you guys recommended in a recent post that the guy should change his coolant. Is this something I could do here at the house or is this a "go get *** raped" by my mechanic job. If I can do it, would anyone mind walking me through it.

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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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This is how I did mine. My antifreeze was just old, but still clear, it had no junk floating in it so it did not need a flush. Some say not to flush the system anyway.

I am not put in the write up safety or enviromental precautions. But be safe and environmentally friendly.

Find the radiator drain plug, lower part of radiator drivers side. While cold drain off the radiator. Careful with the drain plug, about a half turn is all it takes. Fill up with water. Start engine, warm it up till antifreeze circulates. Drain again. Continue till all old antifreeze is out. However on the last couple of drains, I put in demineralized water, or distilled water. (I have access to lots of demin water). On the last time fill up with about 50/50 mix of antifreeze and Demin water, adjust the mixture to your climate. There is a drain plug on the engine somewhere that would probably eliminate some of drain fill steps, I just did not look for it.

You just need to make sure the old is out and you use distilled water and antifreeze going back.

Good luck.
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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Had a chemical flush on my 2000 by the Dealer, Gave them distilled to use with anti-freeze. Cost $100. I believe in the flush. Only 10,000mi on the car.

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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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Please don't pour the old coolant out where animals can get to it. The sweet taste of green coolant attracts them and it very slowly destroys (forming crystals) their liver...a pretty terrible way to die. The orange coolants do not have the same issue.
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nyurdrms
or is this a "go get *** raped" by my mechanic job.

JC

I hope its not one of those..
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 05:33 PM
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I wanted my cooling system flushed with a machine. Two different places, one dealer and one radiatior shop, both told me that a machine flush on these cars should not be done...just drain & fill. Both got hyper when I asked about a machine flush so I didn't bother asking why not. I used to drive RX-7's and those cars also should not be machine flushed; it was because of the engine seals.
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hotwheels57
Please don't pour the old coolant out where animals can get to it. The sweet taste of green coolant attracts them and it very slowly destroys (forming crystals) their liver...a pretty terrible way to die. The orange coolants do not have the same issue.

Incorrect.

Orange is ethylene glycol based, just like the green. The only "safer" coolant is that formulated from propylene glycol, such as Sierra, and others possibly. Orange coolant is not any safer upon ingestion.

And, FWIW, it causes kidney failure, not liver.
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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Cost me $100 for a power clean and flush.

So ask yourself if it worth the time, parts, and mess in your driveway.
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I was purging the coolant two days ago. I have a question: is it safe to put mostly demineralized water in or should I refill with the 50/50 mix of water and dexcool ? The owner manual and other sources indicate that dexcool contains stuff to reduce corrosion and I was wondering what clean water would do to the aluminum block on the long run (car has about 70 kmiles).
Likewise I was about to top it off with ordinary antifreeze (green) but again in several places I read this won't be compatible with GM dexcool and that it would hurt the cooling system. Is that true ?
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Originally Posted by BlueThunder2000
I was purging the coolant two days ago. I have a question: is it safe to put mostly demineralized water in or should I refill with the 50/50 mix of water and dexcool ? The owner manual and other sources indicate that dexcool contains stuff to reduce corrosion and I was wondering what clean water would do to the aluminum block on the long run (car has about 70 kmiles).
Likewise I was about to top it off with ordinary antifreeze (green) but again in several places I read this won't be compatible with GM dexcool and that it would hurt the cooling system. Is that true ?
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You will need at least a corrosion inhibitor in the mix. If I am not mistaken you can but just the inhibitor or a non glycol mixture to put in. I just don't know where you would purchase for an automotive application.

Don't mix the different colors of antifreeze, stick with the Dexcool only.

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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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PRESTONE orange is what I was referring to.


Every year, by some estimates, about 10,000 dogs and cats are victims of accidental poisoning by automobile antifreeze. A pet does not have to drink a lot of antifreeze to be poisoned. Most brands of commercial antifreeze consist of 95 percent ethylene glycol, an extremely toxic chemical. Even a few licks of this sweet-tasting liquid can be fatal to a cat or dog. (Ethylene- glycol-based antifreeze is also extremely hazardous to children. A few ounces are lethal.) For a medium sized dog, ingestion of about 2 ounces (3-4 tablespoons ) is toxic. For cats, as little as 1/4 of an ounce (1-2 teaspoons) can be lethal. Antifreeze poisoning commonly occurs in spring and fall when car owners replace the old antifreeze with fresh antifreeze in their car radiators. However, poisoning can happen anytime, particularly when a car boils over or when a hose leaks, releasing the antifreeze. As mentioned above, this poisoning happens often to animals who are allowed to roam freely in their neighborhoods, but another high risk group are those dogs who are confined in garages and who may not always be provided with adequate fresh drinking water. These dogs may gain access to improperly or inadequately stored antifreeze or lick spilled or leaked antifreeze off the garage floor. If it is necessary to confine your pet(s) to your garage, make sure antifreeze containers are well secured and your animal has plenty of fresh water.

Another source of antifreeze are the decorative "snow globes" glassware. The liquid in the these displays contain 2% antifreeze and are very toxic. I recently received of call of a young cat poisoned when ingesting some of the liquid from a shattered "snow globe".

Both cats and dog are attracted to the smell and taste of ethylene glycol. Therefore, when you or a member of your household changes antifreeze in the driveway, be sure to collect all of the waste coolant and properly dispose of it. And never leave a bucket of ethylene-glycol coolant unattended - even for a moment. Also remember that your car can leak coolant at any time. If you see a puddle of greenish-colored liquid in your driveway, flush the area with plenty of water and don't delay locating and fixing the leak. Another method of quick clean-up is to spread cat litter on the spill, clean up with rags (which are bagged immediately) and then rinse. Antifreeze will biodegrade in the environment, but it takes weeks or months to do so, so removing the spill is absolutely essential.

Antifreeze poisoning occurs in two stages: In the first stage, the ethylene glycol in the antifreeze causes a drunken appearance in the animal within about 30 minutes which may continue for several hours. After passing through stage 1, the animal appears to recover. Stage 2 begins when the dog's liver begins metabolizing the ethylene glycol, changing it into more toxic substances. Within 12 to 36 hours of ingestion, these metabolites have reached such a level that the dog's kidneys stop functioning, and the animal slips into a coma.

Getting the dog to a veterinarian is critical within the first 9-12 hours following ingestion. After that length of time, the liver will have already begun metabolizing the ethylene glycol into substances that cause kidney failure and ultimately death. I have been asked the question by several people-What should be done immediately care for my pet. Should I induce vomiting or give activated charcoal to my pet? These are very short term fixes and not a cure. The faster your pet is treated by a veterinarian the better the chances of recovery. Again, this poison is extremely toxic.

Another source of help is the National Poison Control Center, 800-548-2423. This call will cost $50.

Symptoms of antifreeze poisoning include a drunken appearance including staggering, lack of coordination, and apparent disorientation and vomiting. The animal may appear listless and depressed. Because early signs of antifreeze poisoning often mimic signs of other illness, neither you or your veterinarian may suspect antifreeze poisoning until it is too late. Fortunately, in house lab tests performed by your veterinarian by assist in the diagnosis of antifreeze toxicity.

In our practice we had a tragic incident involving two pets. One dog ingested antifreeze and then vomited the product. The other dog then licked up the vomit and also developed the toxicity. By the time the owner recognized the seriousness of the situation, it was too late and both pets died. We also had a situation involving a household of three cats. The same situation occurred. But, fortunately, the owner recognized the problem and we were able to save two of the three pets. As, you can see, this is truly a horrible and tragic poison.



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One step owners can take to prevent a potential tragedy from befalling their pets is to use a less-toxic propylene-glycol-based antifreeze in the car. Propylene glycol, on the other hand - although not entirely nontoxic - is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol. These products do provide an added margin of safety in the event of accidental ingestion. However, it still can cause death if a large amount is ingested. In addition, the metals in your cooling system that corrode or dissolve into your antifreeze can also be harmful. For this reason, motorists should always exercise caution when using any type of antifreeze product.

If your standard practice is to take your car to a mechanic for its winter preparations, be sure to ask specifically for a propylene-glycol-based antifreeze. (But be prepared to pay a little more.)

There are several nationally available propylene- glycol antifreezes on the market, including:

Sierra (Safe Brands Corp., 1-800-289-7234)

Sta-Clean (Sta-Clean Products, 1-800-825-3464

Prestone LowTox® Antifreeze/Coolant-available at most automotive stores and departments

A number of regional companies also offer propylene-glycol antifreeze in regional markets or in bulk quantities.

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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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Hotwheels57:

Prestone orange is not Prestone Low-Tox. Prestone Orange is the same thing as Dex-Cool.

And, the statement you underlined reinforces MY point, not your statement. You chose to read it a bit differently. The liver may metabolize the ethylene glycol, but ultimately the cause of death is acute renal (kidney) failure.

By the way, I'm a veterinarian, I think I have a handle on this subject.
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No, I didn't misread the statement. Your comment prompted me to do the research I should've done beforehand. I underlined the sentence to support your statement. I had the wrong organ but the right intentions.
I borrowed this embarrassed smilie from another site...

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Ah, understood, that darn lack of perceptible emotion on the 'net... gets me every time!

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...was that an invitation for a beer?
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hotwheels57
...was that an invitation for a beer?
Sounds like it to me. Vets are the nicest of people!!

And here is to our resident Vet with a Vette

And thanks

(I'm a dog owner
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Sure, come on down to sunny Florida anytime, we'll grab a beer
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Sure, come on down to sunny Florida anytime, we'll grab a beer
to Grayton/Panama City area?

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it is a little time consuming, but simple
you could periodically drain what you can, then top off with fresh
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cruisemon
to Grayton/Panama City area?

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Nah, I'm a bit further south, West Palm/Ft. Lauderdale area.

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