Column Locked, Stickies Way Too Confusing
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Melting Slicks
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From: Reno/Sparks Nevada
Column Locked, Stickies Way Too Confusing
Column locked today, got it unlocked and drove it home. The stickies at the top are way too confusing and old. Don't know what to do at this point.
My feeling is...
Don't take it to the dealer to perform any recall.
Install a CLB.
Question...
Will a previous recall render the CLB unusable?
I bought the car about a year ago from the original owner with all dealer receipts. No record of any recall performed.
I have a recall notice 04006
I've read where some owners can't use the CLB because some type of recall was performed.
Some say to have the dealer remove the lockplate and then do a CLB.
I own a '98 manual.
Art
My feeling is...
Don't take it to the dealer to perform any recall.
Install a CLB.
Question...
Will a previous recall render the CLB unusable?
I bought the car about a year ago from the original owner with all dealer receipts. No record of any recall performed.
I have a recall notice 04006
I've read where some owners can't use the CLB because some type of recall was performed.
Some say to have the dealer remove the lockplate and then do a CLB.
I own a '98 manual.
Art
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I'd call Corvettes of Houston and speak with their tech support. I believe you'll be advised that the CLB is all you'll need. I'd also check with the dealer so they can tell you which version of the 4006 recall was performed on your car, there are three total to date and I'm sure more to come.
I personally wouldn't let the dealer touch my car again. Just install the CLB after checking with COH.
I personally wouldn't let the dealer touch my car again. Just install the CLB after checking with COH.
Last edited by Tact; Sep 22, 2006 at 09:11 AM.
Le Mans Master
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I am still for removing the lockplate, either by the dealer under the recall or doing it yourself. Then you can decide if you want to handle the electrical part of the recall by leaving the GM relay harness in place or changing to the aftermarket CLB.
If a relay fails you could still have problems with fuel shutoff, but at least you will not have to deal with the locked column on top of the electronic problem.
If a relay fails you could still have problems with fuel shutoff, but at least you will not have to deal with the locked column on top of the electronic problem.
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Originally Posted by connecticut
get CLB, next time yank the wheel CW while turning key, I've done this with success many times, beats a flatbed
You have to beat the hell out of the 'locks' while you pull down on the column and turn the key on....all at the same time. Been there done that. As for the lock, I have had 2 recalls done. I now have to the bypass installed.
The column lock recalls aren't worth crap.
Burning Brakes
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From: Arlington VA
I just installed a CLB from Corvettes of Houston on my 03 about 2 weeks ago. I also had the 04006 recall. This recall reprograms the PCM for fuel shutoff and inspects the locking pin mechanism. I was told by CF members no problem installing the CLB with this recall already done. My install went well and the column lock is now bypassed. Order the CLB from COH today. You will have it within a week. Good luck with it.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Reno/Sparks Nevada
I was able to yank the wheel to free it...thanks to this forum. I don't think any recall has been done. I'm opting for the CLB. Once this is installed I don't see any way for the actuator to engage the lockplate...right?
Art
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Melting Slicks
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From: Fort Wayne IN
Originally Posted by MrRenoman
I was able to yank the wheel to free it...thanks to this forum. I don't think any recall has been done. I'm opting for the CLB. Once this is installed I don't see any way for the actuator to engage the lockplate...right?
Art
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Don't get the second recall!!!!
I had the first recall done. Locked up three times after that. Got it unlocked using Forum tips. Ordered a CLB from Thunder Racing. 45 minute install. No further problems. The second recall will install a harness that several members have said failed leaving them stranded. GM DOES NOT have a reliable fix for this problem IMHO. I won't let them touch that circuit till they can prove they have a permanent reliable fix. Even though the CLB works fine, I'm pissed that the only solution by anyone (GM or aftermarket) to this is to negate the steering wheel lock system lessening the defense against car theft. My 1999 Taurus 'beater' has over 100,000 miles on it and the steering lock works every time. That car cost 1/3 the cost of a '99 Corvette when new. The Corvette used to be GMs top cost model, Champagne car with a 25 cent anti theft system. That's why they lose market share, could care less about the customer. Same with the dealership network for the most part they don't want to deal with it. GM should have stood up and fixed this years ago. Good luck, you'll love the piece of mind the CLB brings.
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Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
I am still for removing the lockplate, either by the dealer under the recall or doing it yourself. Then you can decide if you want to handle the electrical part of the recall by leaving the GM relay harness in place or changing to the aftermarket CLB.
If a relay fails you could still have problems with fuel shutoff, but at least you will not have to deal with the locked column on top of the electronic problem.
If a relay fails you could still have problems with fuel shutoff, but at least you will not have to deal with the locked column on top of the electronic problem.
Getting rid of the locking plate makes so much sense. If your dealer is
, just have him remove it and leave the rest of it alone, then install your CLB.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
I am still for removing the lockplate, either by the dealer under the recall or doing it yourself. Then you can decide if you want to handle the electrical part of the recall by leaving the GM relay harness in place or changing to the aftermarket CLB.
If a relay fails you could still have problems with fuel shutoff, but at least you will not have to deal with the locked column on top of the electronic problem.
If a relay fails you could still have problems with fuel shutoff, but at least you will not have to deal with the locked column on top of the electronic problem.
Originally Posted by wamara
Getting rid of the locking plate makes so much sense. If your dealer is
, just have him remove it and leave the rest of it alone, then install your CLB.
Burning Brakes
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From: Cedar Rapids Iowa
If you install a CLB there is no need to remove the lock plate. Part of the installation procedure is to remove the power connection to the actuator after it has been retracted from the lock plate. This ensures that it will now be impossible for the actuator to move because the power connection has been permanently removed. Removing the lock plate is completely unnecessary.
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From: Longview Texas
Originally Posted by erick_e
If I remove the column lock, why do I still need a CLB or the K harness?
The BCM is programmed so that if it does not receive a signal from the actuator or it cannot determine the position of the actuator, it sends a signal to the PCM to cut off fuel when you drive over 2 or 3 MPH.
The relays in both harnesses are there to send the correct signal back to the BCM even if the actuator is disconnected.
It is still a good idea to remove the lockplate, especially if you can get it done for free. I have read of a few cases where forum members swear that over time, their actuator pin vibrated up enough to engage the lockplate even though it had been disconnected. The worn gear design makes it appear that is unlikely, but it is one way your column could potentially lock while you are driving the car.
Burning Brakes
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From: Cedar Rapids Iowa
Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
The BCM is programmed so that if it does not receive a signal from the actuator or it cannot determine the position of the actuator, it sends a signal to the PCM to cut off fuel when you drive over 2 or 3 MPH.
The relays in both harnesses are there to send the correct signal back to the BCM even if the actuator is disconnected.
It is still a good idea to remove the lockplate, especially if you can get it done for free...
The relays in both harnesses are there to send the correct signal back to the BCM even if the actuator is disconnected.
It is still a good idea to remove the lockplate, especially if you can get it done for free...
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Column lock
I only had my 2000 C5 coupe for about 3 weeks and yesterday I was driving it.Had to have it towed to the dealer because of the column lock problem.Each time I put it in drive the car just would cut off.I'm really **** about it.The original owner I bought the car from told me he had taken it in for the recall.