Blackwing cold air Filter (PROBLEMS)
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Blackwing cold air Filter (PROBLEMS)
I have a blackwing filter on my vert and since i have installed the tiger shark frontend which lets in alot more air around the filter my car seems to surges on decelleration and sometimes when you pull up to a stop light it trys to die.
I have done everything from clean the maf (4 times) to check all of the clamps and the problem is still there and i have checked for codes and there is none now it is time to put the stock air box back on and see what happens.
Has anyone ever has a problem with the blackwing causeing the surgering are stalling after the install?
It seems i have read on here somewhere that a few people who have used the blackwing has experinced simler problems with to much air turblance around the maf which is causeing the problems.
Any help would be great.
The car is at the dealer now and they can make the car do what i was talking but cant find the problem.
I have done everything from clean the maf (4 times) to check all of the clamps and the problem is still there and i have checked for codes and there is none now it is time to put the stock air box back on and see what happens.
Has anyone ever has a problem with the blackwing causeing the surgering are stalling after the install?
It seems i have read on here somewhere that a few people who have used the blackwing has experinced simler problems with to much air turblance around the maf which is causeing the problems.
Any help would be great.
The car is at the dealer now and they can make the car do what i was talking but cant find the problem.
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I have a Blackwing with holes drilled in the foglight shrouds and have no problems. I have heard of Blackwing surging problems with the cold air box around it. I believe the conclusion on that was that if the box was not properly secured, surging was the result, probably due to changing air pressure across the Blackwing, I would suspect. In any event, good luck in finding the cause. 
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This is a common problem with 02-04 Z06s (with aftermarket intakes), primarily because their MAFs do not contain a laminar flow screen. Even if you have a screened MAF, you are now blasting the filter with more air than is normally available after a cold air box or similar modification is installed. I suggest that you have your C5 dyno-tuned. In all likelyhood, a proper tune will eliminate any surging.
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Originally Posted by Dave68
This is a common problem with 02-04 Z06s (with aftermarket intakes), primarily because their MAFs do not contain a laminar flow screen. Even if you have a screened MAF, you are now blasting the filter with more air than is normally available after a cold air box or similar modification is installed. I suggest that you have your C5 dyno-tuned. In all likelyhood, a proper tune will eliminate any surging.
I have already had my car dyno tuned about 2 weeks ago and it helped some but the problem is still there so i guess the stock air box will go back on to see if that helps with this problem.
My maf does have the screen.
Thanks Randy
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I installed a BLACKWING filter with SLP cover/box, smooth silicone connectors, larger bridge and open shroud on my '04 Z16. The oem MAF on the Z06 didn't have the screen. I don't get any surging, but I do get intermittent check engine messages (twice now).
Each time I've checked for codes, I find nothing current. I just re-did my intake with better positioned clamps and no message so far. I plan for a high altitude (5,000ft) tune soon.
Each time I've checked for codes, I find nothing current. I just re-did my intake with better positioned clamps and no message so far. I plan for a high altitude (5,000ft) tune soon.
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Originally Posted by C5XTASY
I have a Blackwing with holes drilled in the foglight shrouds and have no problems. I have heard of Blackwing surging problems with the cold air box around it. I believe the conclusion on that was that if the box was not properly secured, surging was the result, probably due to changing air pressure across the Blackwing, I would suspect. In any event, good luck in finding the cause.
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I should add that the screen is removed from my MAF and the car was dynotuned.
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I just picked my car up from the dealer and on the way home it seemed to run great and all they ended up doing was clean the MAF (which i cleaned 3 times but not the same cleaner) as they used so i will drive the car a couple days and see what happens and if it starts again i will put the stock air box back on and see what happens with that i will let everyone know what happens.
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Originally Posted by hotwheels57
I installed a BLACKWING filter with SLP cover/box, smooth silicone connectors, larger bridge and open shroud on my '04 Z16. The oem MAF on the Z06 didn't have the screen. I don't get any surging, but I do get intermittent check engine messages (twice now).
Each time I've checked for codes, I find nothing current. I just re-did my intake with better positioned clamps and no message so far. I plan for a high altitude (5,000ft) tune soon.
Each time I've checked for codes, I find nothing current. I just re-did my intake with better positioned clamps and no message so far. I plan for a high altitude (5,000ft) tune soon.
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Originally Posted by RTSVET
I just picked my car up from the dealer and on the way home it seemed to run great and all they ended up doing was clean the MAF (which i cleaned 3 times but not the same cleaner) as they used so i will drive the car a couple days and see what happens and if it starts again i will put the stock air box back on and see what happens with that i will let everyone know what happens.
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Hmmm...sounds like either the Blackwing may have been over-oiled and is shedding oil onto the MAF, or, the wrong kind of oil was used on the Blackwing. Supposedly, A Blackwing tends to shed K&N oil as the Blackwing material is different from K&N material. Just a thought...
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Originally Posted by C5XTASY
Hmmm...sounds like either the Blackwing may have been over-oiled and is shedding oil onto the MAF, or, the wrong kind of oil was used on the Blackwing. Supposedly, A Blackwing tends to shed K&N oil as the Blackwing material is different from K&N material. Just a thought...
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I have not heard that before, but i purchased my blackwing used. it looked like brand new the guy i got it from said he just cleaned it and reoiled it but i dont remember him telling me what kind of oil he put on it i just asumed it was the blackwing oil but i went and looked at it and it seems to have a red tint to it. do you know what the oil to reoil it looks like i have a brand new kit to clean it with but never have opened it. I guess it is time to go and open it to see what the oil looks like.
I just went and opened my cleaning kit and the oil is blue so this could be some of the problem I have been having thanks everyone for the help.
Randy
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This is the cleaner that you should use on the MAF wires:
http://www.crcindustries.com/hd/cont....aspx?PN=05110
By the way, I used K&N oil on my synthetic media Halltech Stinger and it does not fly off onto the MAF wires. It's possible that the previous owner of your Blackwing, over-oiled it.
http://www.crcindustries.com/hd/cont....aspx?PN=05110
By the way, I used K&N oil on my synthetic media Halltech Stinger and it does not fly off onto the MAF wires. It's possible that the previous owner of your Blackwing, over-oiled it.
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Originally Posted by Dave68
This is the cleaner that you should use on the MAF wires:
http://www.crcindustries.com/hd/cont....aspx?PN=05110
By the way, I used K&N oil on my synthetic media Halltech Stinger and it does not fly off onto the MAF wires. It's possible that the previous owner of your Blackwing, over-oiled it.
http://www.crcindustries.com/hd/cont....aspx?PN=05110
By the way, I used K&N oil on my synthetic media Halltech Stinger and it does not fly off onto the MAF wires. It's possible that the previous owner of your Blackwing, over-oiled it.
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Originally Posted by Tact
What history codes did you get, P0174 by chance?
Over oiling aftermarket filters is what gets most people in trouble. Use only a very light application of the correct oil and allow it to wick through the media over time before re-installing. I know that I'm guilty of over oiling the K&N filters I used to use. ...if a little is good, then a little more is much better... made more work for me.
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Originally Posted by Dave68
You should be able to pick it up at an auto parts store. Check the yellow pages and call around. It's been out for at least 6 months now, so I'm sure you'll find it locally.
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Originally Posted by 82shark
RTS,
I had the same problem until i put the MAF with the screen back on. It laminared the flow and it is good now.
Ed
I had the same problem until i put the MAF with the screen back on. It laminared the flow and it is good now.
Ed
My MAF has the screen still in it so I cleaned the blackwing filter last night and reoiled it and install it tonight after it all drys and the oil wicks thru the whole filter then take her for a driveto see how she run hope everything ok now i dont want to give up on the blackwing just yet and install the factory air back on the car.
Randy
