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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 01:06 PM
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What is hydrolock and why does it happen?
I have documented every incident of alleged hydrolock on this forum for two years now.

Common denominators:

1) Every engine is an LS1 between 97 and 2000 with the old LS1 intake
manifold.

2) The occurances that have been reported on this forum name Halltech when the incident is somehow related to this intake, whether the intake is responsible or not. All other intakes names are kept secret, or the thread is removed upon naming the other bottom breather, especially the Vortex.

3) All incidents occur a very slow speeds, in water depths shallower than the bottom of the Halltech filter, which sits 8" above the pavement.

4) As many stock intake engines have been broken as aftermarket intake engines, one would have to conclude that the problem is in the engine intake manifold design.

5) GM changed the intake in 2001, proportedly for more power, yet many 2000 LS1s make as much or more power than the 2001 LS1, with the revised intake manifold. Not one incident of hydrolock has been reported since this revision. C5tech correct me if I'm wrong here, but I haven't seen one.

My take on all this:

There may be other factors, but the design of the LS1 manifold allowed fuel puddling according to GM, which was one of the primary reasons for redesign.

When the throttle is closed or at very low throttle position, the vacuum signal within the intake manifold is at its highest, the filter at its lowest.

It would be impossible for the filter to ingest more water at idle speeds than it has already under fully dynamic conditions. This has been proven in testing.

What I believe is happening, is the precipitation of the moisture within the intake manifold with the hot cylinder heads and cool moist air from the bottom breathers. Stock has better resistance to this occurance since its filter is paper and would absorb more of the moisture.

If one cylinder takes in even a teaspoon of water during low engine speeds, from within the puddling within the manifold, the compression ratio of that cylinder could easily exceed 20:1 or more, since the water displaces combustion volume and cannot be compressed. This compression ratio in that particular cylinder will spit out the rod, destroying the engine.

My advice as a patent attorney, lawyer and engineer, don't purchase the TRIC, the Vortex, the Blackwing cold air system, the MTI, the Proflow or any other bottom breather for your 97-2000 LS1 if you plan on driving through heavy rains. Even though these systems are stronger on the street, they should be only used in track or other competition situations. All bets are off if your engine breaks using one of these intakes. Hydrolock is not covered by your warranty and is best reported to your insurance company.

If you drive an older C5, my advice is to go back to stock during the rainy weather, use your aftermarket intakes for clear weather only or not at all.
Just to clarify, the Blackwing as we sell it, by itself, is not a cold air kit. No cutting of the shroud is necessary. The aftermarket box that fits over it, where you cut the shroud, like a Vortex, is an option. Gen III lumped it in there with the appropriate terms, but, in case some aren't familiar, I calrify it. I get these questions on a daily basis about what is available out there and what the difference is.

My experience: I have had my Vortex for 23k miles through some heavy rain at times with no problems. I don't seek out puddles anymore than the next guy. If you see standing water, drive around it if possible, the intake isn't the only area in harms way with high, standing water.

I have also seen others post the same info about Vortex and the other cold air versions out there that they have driven through heavy rain without issues.


Since GenIII is Halltech's attorney, I appreciate him being so upfront on his recommendation, though, switching boxes isn't what most would do, it is an option. Kind of like switching thermostats for each season.

RG





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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 01:14 PM
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Thanks for the post. I guess if the intake mods where perfect, GM would have used them from the factory..They are not perfect, and when we make changes, we are opening up the possibility of problems..I chose a Donaldson only because i thought the possibility of ingesting water was a lot less than a bottom breather
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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 01:51 PM
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C-5 TECH,

Thanks for the heads up......I value your input.

Good luck.
Mark
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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 02:01 PM
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I aint sayin nothin! I'm holding my tongue on this one! :blueangel: I will say that the pool of water doesn't have to be huge. The water I went through was about 3 inches deep. Locked my motor up tighter than a nun's you know what!


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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 02:15 PM
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Default Re: HYDROLOCKED!!! (Big Carrot)

C5-TECH is right, ANY intake, factory or not can hydrolock. Drive your C5 into a lake or other deep water and it will hydrolock! DUH!! If you lower the car and run a Halltech or a Vortex (which I have) you need to be extra cautious.

A lot of this is common sense, the car sits low, DO NOT DRIVE YOUR C5 INTO STANDING WATER!!!!!! A little common sense goes a long way.
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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 02:22 PM
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I love the word "alleged." That's fancy. Other than that, I'm allegedly staying out of this one. Hydrolock isn't a fantasy. It REALLY happens.

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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 03:30 PM
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Hydrolock from an underwater Snorkel??

Nawww!!
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Underwater snorkels should be avoided in FL, the Redneck Riviera and the Caribbean!
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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 08:33 PM
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I had a feeling that I would get beat up on this one
Hey, do not feel this way. I always read your posts. You remind me of a friend of mine that is an expert mechanic. He is not only good with the wrenches, but he understands how things work.

I appreciate all the help you have given on CF.
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Have only been a member for a few months but I'm still in awe of the knowledgable techs & vendors who post info here. I'm learning more every day and have been a "back-yard" wrencher since the early 70's. Have the utmost respect for you guys!
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Old Sep 18, 2001 | 09:27 PM
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glad i got a donaldson blackwing (non cold air) :yesnod:
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Old Sep 19, 2001 | 01:37 AM
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I still like my MTI ram air kit, but I just put on my to do list, for this week-ends track event, to make a foam insert for the intake scoop.
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Old Sep 19, 2001 | 02:10 AM
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Let us remember that our Corvettes are CARS, not BOATS. Why anyone would drive thru a large puddle of water is beyond me. Just my .02 :crazy:
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Old Sep 19, 2001 | 08:32 AM
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Stroker time! :smash:
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