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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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I see them on the 241 all the time. I know people are wondering why the hell a yellow z06 with the plate FLYNBIA is going 72mph on select areas...

I drive the 241 twice a day at least, and know all the hiding spots. I pretty much know where I can and cant speed, and almost always set the cruise in those spots. You have to watch it, they are pretty crazy in their hiding. If any locals want to know all the hot spots on the 241 and 133 that I have seen them, let me know.

Have fun in school, I went with a buddy that got the same ticket from the same cop. Makes things much more interesting during class.

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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tramminc
when you go to court demand to see the service report for the radar gun, the paper work showing the cop is certified to operated it, and when was the last time it was calabrated. that should get you off.
Radar is calibrated annually and it is checked at the beginning of each shift, and typically after each citation. If the officer was doing his job, this route won't get you anywhere. The documentation for this is common practice to be taken to court when fighting a citation.

Furthermore, radar will work on anything that reflects a signal. Fiberglass absorbs more than steel, but it still creates a perfect signal.

To the OP: Looks like you'll have to pay this one, recommend traffic school.
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mrigas21
As you can guess, I just got a speeding ticket on the 241 toll road. While checking my alternatives

traffic school
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buying a radar detector to prevent the next time

I was thinking, how does their gear work with our plastic body cars?

The cop got me with rear looking equipment while he was parked on the side of the road. Can the radar or Laser read plastic cars too or only metal cars?

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radar or laser? either way, plastic cars have nothing to do with it. how would they be able to read the speeds of baseballs being pitched at a game? it just bounces back off whatever....
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 03:50 PM
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If you were speeding, take the traffic school. Once you complete it, the ticket stays off your record.
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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The radar gun is designed to show the highest speed or return from the pointed direction. I haven't seen the latest guns so I don't know if they will report that speed coming to them or going away from them, but they all work on the same principles



if a radar detector can tell you whether it is coming from in front of you or behind you, I would think that the radar would be able to tell the operator the same thing???????
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 05:35 PM
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What the car is made out of (and the color it is painted) has absolutely nothing to do with its level of reflectivity. The reason the stealth fighter gives little or no radar return, is due to the absorbant material it is made out of, its radar absorbant paint, and the odd angles of its construction.

A corvette has a much lower radar signal than, lets say a minivan, because it has less surface area and less extreme angles (essentially a lower profile). License plates also increase radar signal, because they are flat. The radar 'gun' sends out a signal that bounces off approaching objects. Speed is measured by the distance covered in any given amount of time between radar pings.

Waxing your car and or repainting it will have no effect on radar reflectivity. Removing that front license plate will have a small effect, but by then, its too late. I'd just invest in a good radar detector.
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JDs00PewterCoupe
If you were speeding, take the traffic school. Once you complete it, the ticket stays off your record.
If your record is clean, take traffic school now. If you fight it and are found guilty... you will not be able to take traffic scholl until your record clears... That means if you get tagged in the near future, you cannot take traffic schools and the points will build....
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 10:50 PM
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Folks RADAR works because the radio frequency that bounces back is shifted by the vehicle's speed. It bounces back of any car but some bounce back easier ie 18 wheelers and their big boxy look. Wax and cleanliness won't matter.

LIDAR relies on the light wave bouncing off some item like a front plate but even in AZ where we only need the rear plate it still bounces off the fiberglass or windshield (or the front plate surround)
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 11:49 PM
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They don't use radar here in Tucson. They figure your speed by timeing you from point A to point B.

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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by robvuk
For starters, our cars are not plastic. They are only covered in plastic. Lots of aluminum and steel underneath. Even the stealth fighter jets can be picked up by radar. Not much steel in those. Radar may have a reduced range on some cars over others but still useable. I saw a program on TV once where a cop confirmed that a black Corvette with no license plate had to get much closer. than an SUV. Same with laser as dark colors will absorb more of the reflection and a sleek design will deflect more of it in other directions.
Next time you are at an S & M shop (sado-m), bring back a few chains. I believe it was Popular Mechanics mag that indicated one possisble way to avoid the radar was to cover your car with florescent light bulbs and chains.

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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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Quote: if a radar detector can tell you whether it is coming from in front of you or behind you, I would think that the radar would be able to tell the operator the same thing???????

I was referring to a radar gun pointed at you, and you are traveling to it or away from it. Ideally, I don't think it matters to the gun itself but I haven't seen the newer ones or any for a long time. Many moons ago, our navigation shop on-base used to calibrate the old original ones for the SP's. We made sure they were showing ridiculous readings all the time.
I was stopped long ago too in Nevada where some dufas NHP thought he was clever. Told me he was watching me on his radar for several miles as I came down the road. Funny thing that I pointed out to him that it was physically impossible for it to watch over hills and around bends in the road, not forgetting a huge change in direction and altitude. Essentially I told him at the time that I was a qualified expert in the field and lets go to court! He told me to get on my way and to slow down. I was in a Olds and pulling a trailer. LOL, he was not pleased, but I was.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 07:23 AM
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ALWAYS go to court! You have a 50/50 chance the cop wont show and it will be dismissed (ive had this happen on 5 out of 7 tickets in the past). If the cop shows and you lose anyway the judge will still offer you traffic school.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by z06Bigbird
Next time you are at an S & M shop (sado-m), bring back a few chains. I believe it was Popular Mechanics mag that indicated one possisble way to avoid the radar was to cover your car with florescent light bulbs and chains.

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I think that was Mythbusters and it was Busted.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ERAUalum
What the car is made out of (and the color it is painted) has absolutely nothing to do with its level of reflectivity. The reason the stealth fighter gives little or no radar return, is due to the absorbant material it is made out of, its radar absorbant paint, and the odd angles of its construction.

A corvette has a much lower radar signal than, lets say a minivan, because it has less surface area and less extreme angles (essentially a lower profile). License plates also increase radar signal, because they are flat. The radar 'gun' sends out a signal that bounces off approaching objects. Speed is measured by the distance covered in any given amount of time between radar pings.

Waxing your car and or repainting it will have no effect on radar reflectivity. Removing that front license plate will have a small effect, but by then, its too late. I'd just invest in a good radar detector.
You are correct about what it being made of has nothing to do with it but black aborbs more light than white. If your car is black it will reflect less laser light back to the source, thereby reducing the range/effectiveness. This is a test easily verified with your own eyes and a flashlight. Laser is ordinary light with the same behaviors as your own eyeballs. Dark objects are harder to see at night.

Your statement above about reflecting surfaces only reinforces the fact that color will have an effect. If you can reflect a signal into another direction, you can also absorb it with colors and materials that work for the specific signal in question. The stealth fighters are not only covered with radar absorbent material, they are also black.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordy M
My suggestion is to get a good lawyer, my last ticket (10 over) was reduced to two parking tickets which was the same cost as the speeding ticket. My lawyer was able to talk to the law clerk before the trial and I waited outside. He came out and told me where to pay the fine. They only wanted my money.

A ticker will stay on you record for about 7 years and the prosecuter and your insurance company will have access to it.

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