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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 11:20 AM
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Your 285s are just fine. I hear about people running 305+ size tires and those are hard on PS systems.

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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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This may be of value to some. When I installed my TTi TT the stock PS cooler if you can call it that get's deleted because it is in the way. Rather than just removing the steel pipe, I decided to install a custom cooler and re-route the hosing. So what I have done is to pull the factory steel line attached to the rack and modify the line. The line is all low pressure so strength is not a huge concern. The pipe that exits the rack has a natural bend so we'll use that part. Cut the pipe about 3" after the bend and flare the cut end with a flare kit from Auto Zone (free rental). Then attach the 3/8" barbed end/flare fitting to this pipe.


Now re-direct the fitting towards the front of the car.


Now, for my application I have and intercooler and turbo pipes running thru the area so I had to go small but you can buy a used C4 corvette PS cooler and mount it in the same location. The C4 coolers have 9 passes and fully finned. They can be had for $20 on ebay. Hose clamp the rubber lines in and out and bring the return back to the res.



The cooler gets it's cool air from either the brake duct opening or you can modify the radiator shroud to shunt some air out the driver's side to flow over the cooler. Or better yet, install it in front of the AC condensor. The rubber flex lines give you many possiblities for mounting. In the end I used a Mopar OEM cooler bolted to frame. this is better than what the car came with but not enough for racing applications.

Is Push Lok hose up to the temperature and pressure on this task? What is the pressure on the power steering circuit anyway? I would be a little weary of the heat on that hose... THanks for the info.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by IM QUIKR
This may be of value to some. When I installed my TTi TT the stock PS cooler if you can call it that get's deleted because it is in the way. Rather than just removing the steel pipe, I decided to install a custom cooler and re-route the hosing. So what I have done is to pull the factory steel line attached to the rack and modify the line. The line is all low pressure so strength is not a huge concern. The pipe that exits the rack has a natural bend so we'll use that part. Cut the pipe about 3" after the bend and flare the cut end with a flare kit from Auto Zone (free rental). Then attach the 3/8" barbed end/flare fitting to this pipe.
Now, for my application I have and intercooler and turbo pipes running thru the area so I had to go small but you can buy a used C4 corvette PS cooler and mount it in the same location. The C4 coolers have 9 passes and fully finned. They can be had for $20 on ebay. Hose clamp the rubber lines in and out and bring the return back to the res.

The cooler gets it's cool air from either the brake duct opening or you can modify the radiator shroud to shunt some air out the driver's side to flow over the cooler. Or better yet, install it in front of the AC condensor. The rubber flex lines give you many possiblities for mounting. In the end I used a Mopar OEM cooler bolted to frame. this is better than what the car came with but not enough for racing applications.
Nice write up and pics....Thanks


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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy@DRM
Your 285s are just fine. I hear about people running 305+ size tires and those are hard on PS systems.

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Well thats good news...had me worried.

Nitto RII: Front 285x35x18 Rear:305x35x18

I can't even remember what stock is ..... except that fronts are 17


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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Umrswimr
Appearantly getting all the fittings to connect to the reserviour is a PITA. Do it and take pictures for the rest of us.
why would this be a PITA? Shouldn't everything fit just like stock? GMParts Direct has a dozen coolers listed (almost) and I don't know which one if any will work... any help would be
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000BSME
Is Push Lok hose up to the temperature and pressure on this task? What is the pressure on the power steering circuit anyway? I would be a little weary of the heat on that hose... Thanks for the info.
Sorry, I left out some details assuming that it would be a given. I used the push lok fitting but not the hose. The hose I used was 3/8" tranny cooler hosing that came with an aftermarket cooler. It is reinforced and heat resistant. All the connections are hose clamped as well. This circuit will not fail in my life-time. The PS high pressure hose is only needed for the hi side of the pump. Compare your return line to the pressure line and it will be evident. As for the continous pressure, there is none. It simply flows from the rack through the cooler and into the resevoir. There is no resistance or back pressure.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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ahh i see bc i have z51 i assumed all c5's would.. god i wont assume ne more i swear!!
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Originally Posted by 2000BSME
why would this be a PITA? Shouldn't everything fit just like stock? GMParts Direct has a dozen coolers listed (almost) and I don't know which one if any will work... any help would be
I dunno, I haven't done it. I just heard is was pretty tight in there....

Been meaning to do it, though.
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 12:21 AM
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If you have a non Z51/Z06 C5 your PS cooler is a piece of pipe. If you look a the rack you can see the curved pipe. Adding the Z51 cooler requires removing the pipe and installing the Z51 cooler in its place. When you get the pipe out you will notice 3 screw holes in the cross member that are used for mounting the coolers. Two of the them are used for the pipe and 2 are used for the Z51 cooler. It is an easy install. Howeve, the cooler does not provide enough cooling for extended track time at high rpms. My 03 Z06 is on its 3rd PS pump and 2nd rack since 2005. You need an additional cooler in front of the radiator to get the PS oil cool enough.

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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
If you have a non Z51/Z06 C5 your PS cooler is a piece of pipe. If you look a the rack you can see the curved pipe. Adding the Z51 cooler requires removing the pipe and installing the Z51 cooler in its place. When you get the pipe out you will notice 3 screw holes in the cross member that are used for mounting the coolers. Two of the them are used for the pipe and 2 are used for the Z51 cooler. It is an easy install. Howeve, the cooler does not provide enough cooling for extended track time at high rpms. My 03 Z06 is on its 3rd PS pump and 2nd rack since 2005. You need an additional cooler in front of the radiator to get the PS oil cool enough.

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wow, great information thanks.
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
If you have a non Z51/Z06 C5 your PS cooler is a piece of pipe. If you look a the rack you can see the curved pipe. Adding the Z51 cooler requires removing the pipe and installing the Z51 cooler in its place. When you get the pipe out you will notice 3 screw holes in the cross member that are used for mounting the coolers. Two of the them are used for the pipe and 2 are used for the Z51 cooler. It is an easy install. Howeve, the cooler does not provide enough cooling for extended track time at high rpms. My 03 Z06 is on its 3rd PS pump and 2nd rack since 2005. You need an additional cooler in front of the radiator to get the PS oil cool enough.

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What were the driving symptoms that told you the rack or pump were bad????

Maybe my pump is bad.....would I feel anything during normal driving?

I have had one rack replacement.....but I havn't heard of this repetative issue before. How much track time are you getting a year?
........I get about 10 days


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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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My pump would cut out on corners intermitantly. If yu are putting in a cooler make it bigger than a Z51. I went big. Before the fluid was cookin with Z51.
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
My pump would cut out on corners intermitantly. If yu are putting in a cooler make it bigger than a Z51. I went big. Before the fluid was cookin with Z51.
Andy is going to put in a used (for free) one off a C6. I don't know if they are any better.......


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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:54 PM
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What were the driving symptoms that told you the rack or pump were bad????

Maybe my pump is bad.....would I feel anything during normal driving?

I have had one rack replacement.....but I havn't heard of this repetative issue before. How much track time are you getting a year?
........I get about 10 days


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On my Z it was quite obvious. It started with intermittent steering during a track session and when I got back to the garage and got out of the car I found out it was bathed in oil. The pump seal went bad and dumped PS fluid in the left front wheel well, under the car and all over the rear deck where it flew after going under the car. That happened both times the pump went bad. When the rack went bad I got the same intermittent symptom followed by very hard steering. The passenger side seal on the rack failed and dumped a lot of fluid in the right front wheel well. When the pump on my 97 failed I did not notice any steering problems. After the last session of the day we went to put the car on the trailer and one of my companions said the back of the car was covered in oil.

I get about 10 days a year also.

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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
On my Z it was quite obvious. It started with intermittent steering during a track session and when I got back to the garage and got out of the car I found out it was bathed in oil. The pump seal went bad and dumped PS fluid in the left front wheel well, under the car and all over the rear deck where it flew after going under the car. That happened both times the pump went bad. When the rack went bad I got the same intermittent symptom followed by very hard steering. The passenger side seal on the rack failed and dumped a lot of fluid in the right front wheel well. When the pump on my 97 failed I did not notice any steering problems. After the last session of the day we went to put the car on the trailer and one of my companions said the back of the car was covered in oil.

I get about 10 days a year also.

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I don't have any PS fluid leak. I replace the resevoir contents with Redline before each track day.

Thanks for the feedback


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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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Just ordered this:

Part: 26088760*
Category: Power Steering Fluid Cooler
Description: COOLER
Min.Qty: 1
Unit Price: $114.10
Quantity: 1
Ext.Price: $114.10
Core Charge: $0.00

as a starting point. Will inform on installation difficulty.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Please post pictures when you're done.
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