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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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I have a 2000 C5 And just received new TPS and new nuts from Gene Culley. I see an O ring on the TPS but what seals the TPS to the wheel on the outside? Just the pressure from the nut? Please help, these are the first TPS I have ever seen and not sure how they mount.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Just the nut. I also have a 2000 (but wished it was 2001 when it came time to buy the sensors ) and just had all four put on. All you need is the nut on the outside. I noticed the O-rings came on the new sensors, and I just re-used the old nuts. No problems.

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BTW, Great color!

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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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Only seal you need is on the inside. You're trying to keep the pressure from leaking out, not the outside air from leaking in.

Seriously, the nut pulls the seal tight to the inside of the rim which is machined smooth to provide the sealing surface. Just make sure the inner wheel surface is clean, your TPS seals are clean (I lube mine slightly with a silicone lube) and torque the nuts properly (don't remember the torque spec right off hand).

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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 07:55 PM
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Thanks. I thought that was correct but just being sure since I have no experience with TPM's.

Tim,

Looks like our cars are twins.
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 06:54 PM
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Default Here's the torque spec

Originally Posted by bscottb
Thanks. I thought that was correct but just being sure since I have no experience with TPM's.

Tim,

Looks like our cars are twins.


Had to break down and read the instructions . I got this from my Helms manual. "Tighten the nut to 12 Newton Meters (106 inch pounds)."

Make sure you use inch lbs, not foot lbs . Don't laugh too hard, I've seen it attempted.

In reality, when I had them put on, the guys just tightened them with a small ratchet. They had worked with TPS before, so I wasn't too worried.

I thought the same about looking like twins. Good looking ones too!

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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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TPS: I thought it was 18 in-lb when I did mine as I had to borrow a special torque wrench from work but mine also had security torq screws so maybe the 02 is different.
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 09:04 PM
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I don't know about the differences between and '02 and an '00 sensor, except for the BIG price difference. I'm envious of you on that point. If you divide 106 inch lbs by 12, you get 8.83 foot lbs. It isn't very much, for sure.

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Originally Posted by TopFuelTim
I don't know about the differences between and '02 and an '00 sensor, except for the BIG price difference. I'm envious of you on that point. If you divide 106 inch lbs by 12, you get 8.83 foot lbs. It isn't very much, for sure.

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Don't be too envious, we can't replace them as the part can't be bought according to the parts CD I have. We have to replace the whole throttle body
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106 in-lbs is for the early years (1997-2000) sensors. They use an o-ring.

62 in-lb is for the Type II sensors (2001 up). They use a grommet (gasket). Although I did find this in the 2002 Shop Manual:

Install the sensor nut and position the sensor body parallel to the inside wheel surface while torquing. Tighten
For domestic vehicles tighten the sensor nut to 7 N·m (62 lb in).
For export vehicles tighten the sensor nut to 12 N·m (106 lb in).

I am not sure why the export vehicles used a higher torque ?
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OK, sorry I should have read this one a little closer. TPS in my mind is the Throttle Position Sensor, but the thread was on Tire Pressure Sensor. Man, too many acronyms, it's almost like work
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My rfriend put in a used one and it doesn't work.Did I see something about having to registar these to the car witha magnet? Jerry
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Originally Posted by Oldvetter
106 in-lbs is for the early years (1997-2000) sensors. They use an o-ring.

62 in-lb is for the Type II sensors (2001 up). They use a grommet (gasket). Although I did find this in the 2002 Shop Manual:

Install the sensor nut and position the sensor body parallel to the inside wheel surface while torquing. Tighten
For domestic vehicles tighten the sensor nut to 7 N·m (62 lb in).
For export vehicles tighten the sensor nut to 12 N·m (106 lb in).

I am not sure why the export vehicles used a higher torque ?
Maybe the exports use the '97-'00 versions as well?
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Originally Posted by Oldvetter
106 in-lbs is for the early years (1997-2000) sensors. They use an o-ring.

62 in-lb is for the Type II sensors (2001 up). They use a grommet (gasket). Although I did find this in the 2002 Shop Manual:

Install the sensor nut and position the sensor body parallel to the inside wheel surface while torquing. Tighten
For domestic vehicles tighten the sensor nut to 7 N·m (62 lb in).
For export vehicles tighten the sensor nut to 12 N·m (106 lb in).

I am not sure why the export vehicles used a higher torque ?
I remember having this discussion once in the past. Your value for 2001 up is higher than the published manual and I remember you saying you got the values from an online update or something. Can you post where you got this from? Might be a good source for future reference
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
I remember having this discussion once in the past. Your value for 2001 up is higher than the published manual and I remember you saying you got the values from an online update or something. Can you post where you got this from? Might be a good source for future reference
Yes, we did have this discussion before. I did NOT find the above statement at that time. My information is from the Official GM Service and Parts information, however it is not an online updated version. It was accurate of as 2004. It contains complete Shop Manuals for all GM Cars and Trucks from 1997 to 2004 (it is 6 GB in size) as well as all TSBs issued as of that date.
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Old Mar 2, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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My 99 sensors would leak air pressure slowly in really cold temps, and nothing in 40F+ temps. used a deepwell (metric) if I believe socket wrench and just snugged it a little bit more and voila no more leak in the winter months.
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Originally Posted by MG RED 99
My 99 sensors would leak air pressure slowly in really cold temps, and nothing in 40F+ temps. used a deepwell (metric) if I believe socket wrench and just snugged it a little bit more and voila no more leak in the winter months.
This has happened to me too in the past as well as a few others here. After re-tightening, I recommend using a drop or two of Loc-Tite green. I apply it where the threads are showing at the top of the nut. It is a "wicking" type thread locker designed to be used on assembled fasteners, plus it's not locking the nut on "gorilla" tight like red would do. Works great.
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