Anyone have any information concerning the differences between these two headers.

 

TTS are a long singular tubed header.

4 tubes into the collector


Belangers are a Y-Design.

4 into 2 into the collector

Long single tubes that all go directly into the collector by nature perform better in the mid to upper RPM range.

Short Tubes that all go directly into the collector by nature perform better in the low to mid range.

Y Designs compromise between the two, and are good for street cars with great mid range.




[Modified by kewlbrz, 11:18 AM 10/22/2001]

 

Darth Vetter has the Belangers on his car. That might be one of the reasons his head and cam package makes so much power. I am planning on buying the Belanger when my Z06 gets in.

 

I wish I had waited and put the Belangers in. Nate at Xtreme will be (is) carrying them. I'd check with him when you decide to purchase. I still love the car with the TPIS headers though. :cool:

 

I don't think you can go wrong with either of these headers and I think their also priced similar.

 

How about installation, are there any SNAFU's??

 

Does anyone have Belangers website address?
Thanks,
Bob e-mail: francesnbob@aol.com

 

How much are Belangers headers?

 

Before everyone jumps on the Tri-Y Design bandwagon. Understand what your trying to do.

The Belanger Tri-y design is for midrange performance and, with good topend performance.

However the ultimate performing header design is a 4 tube into 1 collector design like the TTS, TPIS, etc... You sacrifice a little low end torque, but for all out performance, 4 into 1 is the ultimate. Depends on what your trying to do.

Tri-Y is great for the average street performer.

4 into 1 tuned headers are the best for competition.

Belangers are jewel like pieces. Jerry Belanger did a good job on them. They are pricy tho, at 1200+ for the LS1.

I dont thing belanger has a web site. I beleive Jerry Belanger is out of Arizona.


[Modified by kewlbrz, 11:41 AM 10/23/2001]

 

what would you recommend then for headers? I know almost nothing brands and types but other then what I have been reading here the forum.

Can they be installed by someone at home. I can build things.. I have never installed headers and I have never welded anything before.

Robert

 

All the pictures I have seen of the Belangers look like they have a very poor O2 sensor placement, this could lead to problems down the road.

Eric

 

For a stock motor, I would most likely go with the TTS Headers with thier 1.625 inch tubes to maintain a little torque on the low side. Or the Belangers Tri-Y Design.

If I were going to do Major Heads/Cam (revving 6800+ RPM), or displacement increasing. I would go with a header "like" TPIS with thier 1.75 inch tubes.

Also, Collector size is pretty irrellavent if staying with stock exhaust pipe diameter.



[Modified by kewlbrz, 12:28 PM 10/23/2001]

 

I agree with Kewlbrz, the smaller diameter tubes of the TTS headers make up for the smaller lower end torque gains that normal 4-1 headers are known for. I also find the TTS headers do not sacrifice as much power up top as some may think. I know I have said this many times before but I have a very agressive cam in my car and some pretty hogged out heads and I do not feel I lost any power up top from the smaller tubed TTS headers.

They are still my recommendation for a stock, bolt-on, or heads/cam car. The only time I think their diameter might be a bottleneck is if you went with a stroker motor with increased displacement.

 

Would the cost of headers and install be worth it on a stock motor?

 

I would say so. Your gains will be minimal 20+ HP on a stock motor, and are typically across the whole RPM range.

Install should not run more than about 300 or so.

 

So, from this thread if I went with headers I would should go with TTS?? Cost is? But installed I should be looking at about $1400?

Robert

 

We have TTS headers in stock for $1150 shipped.

Like Kewlbrz said, you would be looking around the 300-400 range for install.

LTs are really the next best hp/tq gaining mod after a cold air intake and exhaust. They are quite pricey but after the air intake is done, the cost per HP skyrockets.

Let me know if you have any more questions about them or if you are interested in purchasing a set.

 

What about the the LPE headers or DRM I think they make there own do anyone know about these headers?

 

99 Torch Coupe- I sell,have sold and installed all headers available for the C5 or Z06. Hope you can use some of the info...
From one day to the next, I swapped my TPISs for the TTSs. A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT!
My car had all of the bolt ons but no head and cam. The theory that
smaller 1 5/8 tubes (TTS)are better for the non head and cam car seems viable but I felt a loss in the low end and top end, midrange was the same.
TTSs are well made but a pain to install. Removing starter, removing motor mount bolts and lifting on the motor for each side, bad placement of 02s, bad placement of flange bolts and relocation of oil dipstick tube are things to expect with TTS. Wish I could say it was worth the swap but...
Expect AT LEAST an extra hour for installation if not more.
TPIS is great for the money but at the bottom of the list when it comes to quality( compared to the others). Still a great deal if you want the best for the money. 1 3/4 primaries, coated and easy install. The main problem being the air tubes leaking on some sets. Maybe 1 out 10 had the problem. The issue has been resolved though so no worries. The best selling header by far...
Belangers are the quality of the TTSs with more hp gains than the TPISs.
I believe the Belangers will do as well as the others on the low end with better midrange and top end.
The manu states 22hp gain and close to the same in trq.(I dont remember the exact trq number). I rate these top dog. Tri Y design, coated, 1 3/4 primaries and easy install like the TPISs.
Pricey? Yes, but the best header available so far from what I have seen.
I have pics available if anyone is interested in seeing them and they should be on our site soon.
Lastly, I was so impressed with the Belangers, I made the deal with the manu to be the exclusive dealer for the headers. You will have to call Xtreme for a set but we will have specials on them here in the CF Mall soon.
Of course, my word is not Gospel. But I do tell it like I see it! And feel it! :)

Nate

 

I like my Belangers, their performance and quality. The muffler shop owner, who put the headrs on, was impressed with the quality and fit of the Belangers. The best header he had seen, he said...

Herb


[Modified by 4DCYKEY, 9:55 PM 10/23/2001]