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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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I'm upgrading the front suspension of my kit car.

I've fabricated everything, and now it's time to bleed the brakes.

Before I started, the master cylinder (for front wheels only) had been drained to the very bottom (only a little bit of fluid in there). I filled it up, had wifey pump the pedal while I went to the passenger side wheel and opened and shut the bleeder while she held the pedal in. A few times of that, and got the air out. same on the other side.

Now, on each side, only fluid comes out, but it's really not under much pressure, and the pedal is still totally soft.

I'm guessing I still have air somewhere in the system, but not sure how to get it out. Pointers?
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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:34 PM
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Did you bench bleed the master cylinder before installing it?
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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:36 PM
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Did you bench bleed the master cylinder before installing it?
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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:36 PM
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are you pumping the pedal? you should pump it three times, hold it, have your assistant bleed the brakes, then close it, THEN let up on the pedal, repeat until all the air is out. Start with the wheel farthest from the master cylinder.
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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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are you pumping the pedal? you should pump it three times, hold it, have your assistant bleed the brakes, then close it, THEN let up on the pedal, repeat until all the air is out. Start with the wheel farthest from the master cylinder.
That's what I'm doing
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Originally Posted by 96Zguy
Did you bench bleed the master cylinder before installing it?
no, master is not new... it was already in use
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Originally Posted by 99C5Vert
no, master is not new... it was already in use
Did the m/c happen to sit, dry, for a few months up to a year while you were doing this upgrade?
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Did the m/c happen to sit, dry, for a few months up to a year while you were doing this upgrade?
no, just 4 or 5 days.
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Originally Posted by 96Zguy
Did you bench bleed the master cylinder before installing it?
As the others posted.
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As the others posted.
Bench bleeding isnt totally necessary, personally i dont worry about bench bleeding and just gravity bleed it until it's all good. Takes longer to bleed, but you dont have to worry about all the hassles with bench bleeding.

Other than that....i'd say just keep bleeding man, it'll have to get hard at some point.
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Originally Posted by RJR99SS
Bench bleeding isnt totally necessary, personally i dont worry about bench bleeding and just gravity bleed it until it's all good. Takes longer to bleed, but you dont have to worry about all the hassles with bench bleeding.

Other than that....i'd say just keep bleeding man, it'll have to get hard at some point.
Yea even without bench bleeding the air will come out, just may take a while.
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Originally Posted by RJR99SS
Bench bleeding isnt totally necessary, personally i dont worry about bench bleeding and just gravity bleed it until it's all good. Takes longer to bleed, but you dont have to worry about all the hassles with bench bleeding.

Other than that....i'd say just keep bleeding man, it'll have to get hard at some point.
My wife is getting a workout
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Originally Posted by RJR99SS
Bench bleeding isnt totally necessary, personally i dont worry about bench bleeding and just gravity bleed it until it's all good. Takes longer to bleed, but you dont have to worry about all the hassles with bench bleeding.

Other than that....i'd say just keep bleeding man, it'll have to get hard at some point.
I would tend to agree, but one red flag comes up in my mind: "kit car". Is it possible your pedal does not provide full travel of the m/c piston? Thus trapping air in the master cyl. Bench bleeding the m/c may be required. Just a thought.....
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Go buy one of those vacuum bleeder kits. It was the best $20 something bucks I have ever spent.


I don't need ANY help bleeding my brakes anymore!
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Originally Posted by 88Z51
I would tend to agree, but one red flag comes up in my mind: "kit car". Is it possible your pedal does not provide full travel of the m/c piston? Thus trapping air in the master cyl. Bench bleeding the m/c may be required. Just a thought.....
alright... is bench bleeding more than just routing the line from the back of the master directly back into the reservoir, and pumping it to make sure there are no bubbles?

I just did that. There might have been a slight improvement, but not much.

I do have full travel on the master.
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Originally Posted by nitronick
Go buy one of those vacuum bleeder kits. It was the best $20 something bucks I have ever spent.


I don't need ANY help bleeding my brakes anymore!
Of course all you need to bleed brakes by yourself is a few feet of vacuum hose and a clear glass jar.......
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Originally Posted by 99C5Vert
alright... is bench bleeding more than just routing the line from the back of the master directly back into the reservoir, and pumping it to make sure there are no bubbles?

I just did that. There might have been a slight improvement, but not much.

I do have full travel on the master.
Yeah, that should cover it. However, are you sure you are getting full travel of the piston in the cylinder with the pedal? The pedal may bottom out, but may not be pushing the piston all the way to the end of the m/c bore - this is one reason for needing to bleed a m/c prior to installation. If for sure it it is getting full travel, have you tried bleeding all four wheels?
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Old May 25, 2007 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RJR99SS
it'll have to get hard at some point.
Originally Posted by 99C5Vert
My wife is getting a workout
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Originally Posted by wht_slvr_86
We're havin fun now... I guess I should get back to working on the brakes
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What's up Mazda? How's things?
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