76 foot/lb my @ss!

Lets start a new thread on "What's the best torque wrench for less than $150?" and see what brand is (most) recommended.
Last edited by hotwheels57; Jul 30, 2007 at 12:18 PM.
Most shops are more than happy to order something off of the Snap On truck for you, cause it is that much less that the Snap On dealer wants them to purchase that month
OR, you can get pretty good deals on Flea-bay for Snap On Torque wrenches - but you might need to have them recalibrated.


As you have a '98, we can assume there is a good chance the original flywheel could have lead weights added at the factory, to externally final-balance the engine.
I don't know if the post-2000 engines had this done often, but it was common on the '97-2000.
Did you check the flywheel for these weights?
If they were on the original flywheel, and you replace it with a perfectly balanced flywheel/clutch setup, your engine could vibrate unacceptably. I know, I went there with a dealer who pulled and scrapped my flywheel without checking. It took 5 tries and a factory guy with an exotic strobe machine to get my engine back into sorta-ok balance.
If you pull the old flywheel without marking its location (rotation) on the crank, then find lead weights driven into some of the holes, you are screwed!
DG
a. I was re-using the old bolts
b. It was a harbor freight tool
Man, you guys are good. Good news is that I was able to get it out with little fuss, using Kragen's bolt remover drill set. Bad news is this'll have to wait a few more days to get the new bolts from GM parts , as well as a torque wrench from Sears. If I can get a Snap-on tq wrench I will but where do I go to buy their products?
Basically that stretch acts as a locking type device and is essentially shot after its been used once. It is cheap insurance to replace bolts with new ones on any internal part.
It is also recommended in many circles to put a little motor oil on the threads of the bolts to make it easier to torque to the correct level.
Think about it, if the bolt is dirty or has some crap on it it will increase the resistance to the torque wrench, in all likely hood causing an inaccurate reading, leading to a bolt that wasn't tightened enough, leading to catastrophic failure in cases of say flywheel bolts or head bolts.
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I agree that it shouldn't have snapped at 76ft/lbs or even close to that. Those are pretty beefy bolts. Probably just a defective one or a defective torque wrench.
As far as torque wrenches go, Sears are the very worst of the worst. I am but an amateur, and only use my torque wrenches once in a while. I broke 2 Sears 1/2" drive wrenches in 2 years. No, they aren't warrantied. Yes, they are very expensive for how crappy they are. I have some POS Husky from Home Depot now and it's 10x better if that tells you anything. I wouldn't use it for something requiring very close tolerances (engine work for example) but it's fine for lug nuts, suspension parts, etc..
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Don't ge me wrong, your guide was AWESOME. There's no way you could have the foresight to see that my system was diff.
As you have a '98, we can assume there is a good chance the original flywheel could have lead weights added at the factory, to externally final-balance the engine.
I don't know if the post-2000 engines had this done often, but it was common on the '97-2000.
Did you check the flywheel for these weights?
If they were on the original flywheel, and you replace it with a perfectly balanced flywheel/clutch setup, your engine could vibrate unacceptably. I know, I went there with a dealer who pulled and scrapped my flywheel without checking. It took 5 tries and a factory guy with an exotic strobe machine to get my engine back into sorta-ok balance.
If you pull the old flywheel without marking its location (rotation) on the crank, then find lead weights driven into some of the holes, you are screwed!
DG







Any of the "balancing" holes used around the periphery of the flywheel is a "through" hole and empty if no weight is present. Some balancing holes that have a weight in them will not necessarily be completely "filled", i.e. flush on both sides of the flywheel. Some may be recessed on one side or the other; just depends on how much weight was used in that particular hole.
They can be easily tapped out with a flat punch and hammer if needed. BTW, these should not in any way be confused with the two steel locating pins sticking out. Those are strictly for P/P orientation.
HTH
Any of the "balancing" holes used around the periphery of the flywheel is a "through" hole and empty if no weight is present. Some balancing holes that have a weight in them will not necessarily be completely "filled", i.e. flush on both sides of the flywheel. Some may be recessed on one side or the other; just depends on how much weight was used in that particular hole.
They can be easily tapped out with a flat punch and hammer if needed. BTW, these should not in any way be confused with the two steel locating pins sticking out. Those are strictly for P/P orientation.
HTH
Your torque wrench looks eerily similar to my dreaded Harbor Freight torque wrench, which stripped the threads on three or four aluminum bolt holes in my head/cam swap. I went out and bought a new Craftsman wrench, and haven't looked back. I use the old one as a weapon for self-defense now. Maybe your wrench is as goofy and innacurate as mine was.


Your torque wrench looks eerily similar to my dreaded Harbor Freight torque wrench, which stripped the threads on three or four aluminum bolt holes in my head/cam swap. I went out and bought a new Craftsman wrench, and haven't looked back. I use the old one as a weapon for self-defense now. Maybe your wrench is as goofy and innacurate as mine was.


From what I gather, it would seem that most flywheels get attached to the crank with these "7th" holes aligned with one another. If by chance these "7th" holes were not lined up when originally attached then maybe, just maybe, there might be a witness mark on the crank or flywheel (as they each have a "7th" hole") showing a sign indicating its location when originally assembled. Try looking for the presence of a circular corrosion/dirt pattern for example.
The good thing about witness marks is, the longer any two parts are attached, they greater the likelihood of a witness mark of some sort being present. I don't think the lack of a witness mark necessarily means a problem for you, and for me at least, would seem to indicate a greater likelihood that these "7th" holes were in fact aligned when first assembled. Bear in mind I'm just using the "7th" hole as maybe the easiest example of something to look for. There could be others but I don't see anything obvious in your pics. Caveat: I haven't personally seen or read anything indicating a requirement or policy at the factory that these "7th" holes be lined up during assembly.
If this is helpful then at least you will have a starting point as to the flywheel/crank relationship. If the clutch/pp assembly can only be mounted one way via the locating pins on the flywheel, then you might be able to effectively "re-create" the entire original mounting locations of the entire assembly. Establishing the relationship of the clutch/pp to the flywheel is equally important in re-creating the entire assembly.
As several others have stated here, I agree with using new bolts whether they be factory or ARP.
HTH,
Robert















