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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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Ok I am down to the nitty gritty in a few days. I need help choosing a reliable cam. I want something that is suitable for the street. I will be driving this car on road trips but want it to be able to hold its own on the strip.

Here are my current purchases (yet to be installed )

Kooks race ready headers high flow cats
B B PRT exhaust
FAST 90/90
TFS heads
double roller T/C
blue printed oil pump
Tex clutch

I need help with cam, push rods and rockers.

Can anyone think of something I am missing.

I am hoping for 500 rwhp
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jhuddleston
Ok I am down to the nitty gritty in a few days. I need help choosing a reliable cam. I want something that is suitable for the street. I will be driving this car on road trips but want it to be able to hold its own on the strip.

Here are my current purchases (yet to be installed )

Kooks race ready headers high flow cats
B B PRT exhaust
FAST 90/90
TFS heads
double roller T/C
blue printed oil pump
Tex clutch

I need help with cam, push rods and rockers.

Can anyone think of something I am missing.

I am hoping for 500 rwhp
you have unrealistic expectations.500rwhp streetable and reliable performance isnt going to happen.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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500 rwhp is a lofty goal. You'll need a pretty radical cam, and a damn good tuner to make it anything close to civil on the street.
It can be done, but it will run like a race car. Its gonna chop like crazy.
If you're set on that number, you may want to throw in an underdrive pulley and an electric water pump. They'll gain you a few together.
Aluminum flywheel is worth a few, and bein as you're replacing the clutch......
Dont forget some 42 pound injectors. Anything smaller is marginal at that power level. May want to upgrade the pump to support it.
It just never stops!
No, really, that should pretty well cover it.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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for the cam, i recomend calling texas speed. and tell them about your setup and they can help you out.

what blueprinted oil pump do you have???

you would probably be fine with 7.4 pushrods

you dont need rockers, unless you want to waste alot of money and time.

i recomend new lifters and lifter trays.
a new balancer bolt is a must!!!
and thought i would mention you would need new gaskets too.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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you dont need rockers, unless you want to waste alot of money and time.
I've seen YTs make 10 hp on a fairly stout cam, over HS modded stockers.
We did a write up on the dyno test several weeks ago. We used a very consistent test mule. 383 C5, M6, AFRs, etc, that put up damn consistent numbers over and over.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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Don't forget new valve springs/retainers.

Your gonna need good ones for a 500 RWHP motor. If you want to upgrade your rockers, You can get the needle bearings upgraded on your stockers. Harland Sharp does a nice job with them.

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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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It will take a monster cam to get there, and even then, I'd question whether it will turn better times at the strip than a strong running 460-470whp car. If you shoot for 500, you are probably going to have a cam that makes it a dyno queen, with no power below the upper rpm's. There are countless stories at the strip showing that peak #'s don't always translate into better times; the area under the curve is what counts. Don't get hung up on peak #'s...

LG's G5X1-E cam (228/232 on a 115 with .6xx lift) is nice and streetable, and with AFR heads, and a FAST 90/90, can hit 470 at the wheel, and is very, very civil (overlap is 0, so it isn't ridiculously lopey). You can go bigger than that, into the 230's, with a lower LSA, and make a bit more at the sacrifice of idle. Best of luck. Check out LS1tech.com; they have tons of info on head/cam setups with dyno graphs.
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It will take a monster cam to get there, and even then, I'd question whether it will turn better times at the strip than a strong running 460-470whp car. If you shoot for 500, you are probably going to have a cam that makes it a dyno queen, with no power below the upper rpm's. There are countless stories at the strip showing that peak #'s don't always translate into better times; the area under the curve is what counts. Don't get hung up on peak #'s...

LG's G5X1-E cam (228/232 on a 115 with .6xx lift) is nice and streetable, and with AFR heads, and a FAST 90/90, can hit 470 at the wheel, and is very, very civil (overlap is 0, so it isn't ridiculously lopey). You can go bigger than that, into the 230's, with a lower LSA, and make a bit more at the sacrifice of idle. Best of luck. Check out LS1tech.com; they have tons of info on head/cam setups with dyno graphs.
I have The G5X1-E cam/AFR 205's/LG Pro Long Tubes/Vararam, and put down 447rwhp, and 427 rwtq. I have not decided if I want to go spend the extra $ on the fast 90/90 setup or not..... I could get an extra 20rwhp i'm told.

Link to my dyno graph:
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0aae8/z...mlgheaders.jpg

Here is a video of my cam setup. Its extremely drivable and easy to live with in traffic too.



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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
I've seen YTs make 10 hp on a fairly stout cam, over HS modded stockers.
We did a write up on the dyno test several weeks ago. We used a very consistent test mule. 383 C5, M6, AFRs, etc, that put up damn consistent numbers over and over.
i dont doubt it.
i was just saying for his application 10hp wouldn't justify the extra expense of a set of roller rockers
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Old Sep 24, 2007 | 02:00 AM
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500rwhp is a big number to be chasing with a stock short block.,.....you can get close, but dont do it on a mustang dyno otherwise you will be disappointed.....
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Originally Posted by Toque
I have The G5X1-E cam/AFR 205's/LG Pro Long Tubes/Vararam, and put down 447rwhp, and 427 rwtq. I have not decided if I want to go spend the extra $ on the fast 90/90 setup or not..... I could get an extra 20rwhp i'm told.

Link to my dyno graph:
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0aae8/z...mlgheaders.jpg


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Yeah, there's a guy either on here, LS1tech.com, or Z06vette.com with your heads/cam plus the FAST, and he's getting 470. I almost went with that cam. If I would have bought AFR's, that would have been the cam I would have gone with. It puts out such great #'s for a very streetable cam... Nice choice!
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