my "ebay header" install experience
Le Mans Master
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Back to the topic...
I ordered a set of the headers for my 97 along with 3" performance curve metallic cats. (using a WCC x-pipe) I was planning on installing myself but decided that it would be better to pay the extra $$ to have a pro do it and weld the joints instead of DIY, screwing it up and tossing $150+ on band clamps that can leak if not seated properly.
I know this doesn't sound like me at all, but I have Zero welding skills and DIY exhaust is something that i really don't want to attempt...plus I've tried to straighten out my borla quad tips for months and im' sure a pro can help that.
I ordered a set of the headers for my 97 along with 3" performance curve metallic cats. (using a WCC x-pipe) I was planning on installing myself but decided that it would be better to pay the extra $$ to have a pro do it and weld the joints instead of DIY, screwing it up and tossing $150+ on band clamps that can leak if not seated properly.
I know this doesn't sound like me at all, but I have Zero welding skills and DIY exhaust is something that i really don't want to attempt...plus I've tried to straighten out my borla quad tips for months and im' sure a pro can help that.
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St. Jude Donor '17
But to come into HIS thread while he is trying to help the community in the way he knows how, and tell him how HIS headers are bad is very rude. Have you installed a set of these headers? It would be nice if he would come back to give the people who do care pictures without you breathing down his neck.
Its not just the young guys who are on a budget. What about the 44 year old father of 3 who has 2 in college and another on the way to higher education? Is he not allowed to modify his pride and joy because the corvette tax is to great?
I have Kooks 1 7/8's, but would still like to see other options incase a friend with a stock car is looking for a budget exhaust.
BTW- I am one of those "kids" you speak of, that after working for years to afford a C5, could afford to pay cash in hand for my 1999 Fixed Roof Coupe. Some of us younger guys have more money then the older guys, due to better life choices or business deals.
Its not just the young guys who are on a budget. What about the 44 year old father of 3 who has 2 in college and another on the way to higher education? Is he not allowed to modify his pride and joy because the corvette tax is to great?
I have Kooks 1 7/8's, but would still like to see other options incase a friend with a stock car is looking for a budget exhaust.
BTW- I am one of those "kids" you speak of, that after working for years to afford a C5, could afford to pay cash in hand for my 1999 Fixed Roof Coupe. Some of us younger guys have more money then the older guys, due to better life choices or business deals.
I know all about it. I bought my 00 in 01 and im under 35
SO do i win a cookie? You crack me up man. Now you are trying to compare your bank role to older guys here? wtf is up with that crap lol Hilarious You have no idea what people make or do for a living or how many whatever they own. Such an off topic and idiotic statement to make.
There is so much younger vs older bravado crap going on it is just laughable. Someone always trying to prove something when nobody is really paying attention. lol
If you pay attention to the forum the ebay headers are crap. If you don't like it make your own judgment. I would never ever recommend it. So Deal with it
Last edited by Got uid0; Dec 20, 2007 at 03:47 AM.
Drifting
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I know all about it. I bought my 00 in 01 and im under 35
SO do i win a cookie? You crack me up man. Now you are trying to compare your bank role to older guys here? wtf is up with that crap lol Hilarious You have no idea what people make or do for a living or how many whatever they own. Such an off topic and idiotic statement to make.
There is so much younger vs older bravado crap going on it is just laughable. Someone always trying to prove something when nobody is really paying attention. lol
If you pay attention to the forum the ebay headers are crap. If you don't like it make your own judgment. I would never ever recommend it. So Deal with it
SO do i win a cookie? You crack me up man. Now you are trying to compare your bank role to older guys here? wtf is up with that crap lol Hilarious You have no idea what people make or do for a living or how many whatever they own. Such an off topic and idiotic statement to make.
There is so much younger vs older bravado crap going on it is just laughable. Someone always trying to prove something when nobody is really paying attention. lol
If you pay attention to the forum the ebay headers are crap. If you don't like it make your own judgment. I would never ever recommend it. So Deal with it
Once again, do you have personal experience with these headers, or are you just doing like every other useless member, stating your opinions WITHOUT a background in the product? Without a personal background in the product, how can you base an experience with it? Are you just seeing what others say, and spreading the word, even though you have never touched a set of these headers? How many header installations have you done now?
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St. Jude Donor '17
I think you started stating ages. I was simply stating that the middle aged crowd might have just as tough of a time affording a 1400 dollar set of headers as the younger "punk" crowd.
Once again, do you have personal experience with these headers, or are you just doing like every other useless member, stating your opinions WITHOUT a background in the product? Without a personal background in the product, how can you base an experience with it? Are you just seeing what others say, and spreading the word, even though you have never touched a set of these headers? How many header installations have you done now?
Once again, do you have personal experience with these headers, or are you just doing like every other useless member, stating your opinions WITHOUT a background in the product? Without a personal background in the product, how can you base an experience with it? Are you just seeing what others say, and spreading the word, even though you have never touched a set of these headers? How many header installations have you done now?
No actually you making statements "some of us younger guys have more money then the older guys, due to better life choices or business deals."
Now how is that not an immature comment on we are better than you mentality?
Also the members here are not useless. The statements made are done so not because they do not like the brand name. There are fitmit issues. The guy that posted this had not even finished piping back to the mufflers. If you would search for other "useless posts" on this "useless forum" made of "useless members" you would know of the issues and problems with the quality of header. You would also know who the manufacture was and could then do your own research and make your own conclusions. There is also a hit or miss on the quality depending on whom you order from on the same header. SO again this is not my style of quality product and i would not recommend it to anyone in my car club.. or this forum. That is my stance. Agree or not I DONT care This is a post read it and take it as a grain of salt and stop trying to start playground fights.
I am tired of trying to help you. What are you even looking for when you think of "headers" IF you do not know the answer to that then you should start looking into it. There are different styles, materials and of course results with each.
Now go look at the search tool for "ebay headers" and look at the pictures of the problems ok?
How many of these posts from 'jr' members keep popping up to advertise for tstar? Do you think they could simply just be advertisement posts?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...t=ebay+headers
http://www.smokinvette.com/corvettef...read.php?t=551
I just had them install on Tuesday and they seem to be just fine. I had to have them done by a local place and I was damn glad I did. There was no way that I could have done the install with all the problems that an experienced mechanic had. I have a few suggestions for you. Buy the high flow cats before you do this. I didn't buy them and had to use the original cats. They say its a 4-5 hour job, i say bull****. Even for an experienced mechanic it will take them more like 5-6 hours and for someone with my lack of experience it would take 5 to 6 days. Let somebody else do the install. Take it to a shop where they have all the right tools to do this job properly and correct. You will be glad you paid the extra money, unless your are a glutton for punishment.
I had one of the first sets installed and my shop said the fitment sucked and they had to move brackets. He told me he would never install them again. Here is some more good information.
MY CAR CAUGHT FIRE BECAUSE OF THESE. I had moved the AC line as much as I could and while at the tuner getting a dyno tune the AC line got to hot near the header and lit up.
Glad they had a fire extinguisher near. They did sound good and are a deal, but they are cheap for a reason. I have heard that they made changes since I bought them, but I am not going to take my chances again and will save for a good set. I also ordered a set of Ford 5.4L headers from this same place and when I went to install them the flange hit the head casting. They ignored my emails and never did resolve that issue. Just my .02
MY CAR CAUGHT FIRE BECAUSE OF THESE. I had moved the AC line as much as I could and while at the tuner getting a dyno tune the AC line got to hot near the header and lit up.
Glad they had a fire extinguisher near. They did sound good and are a deal, but they are cheap for a reason. I have heard that they made changes since I bought them, but I am not going to take my chances again and will save for a good set. I also ordered a set of Ford 5.4L headers from this same place and when I went to install them the flange hit the head casting. They ignored my emails and never did resolve that issue. Just my .02http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...t=ebay+headers
As usual, I am utterly perplexed why anyone would buy these headers with the information that is available concerning fitment issues, etc. I am equally confused why anyone who owns a world class sports car, would want to buy something for it that they have to "make work", heat up, beat into place, bend a/c lines 
, and render their car as yet another experiment for SSA to actually get their sh*t together. I must say, I do derive a sick pleasure in watching you guys do this to yourselves(and your vettes).
I remember when I was a kid, beating on a pair of cheap headers I bought for my 72 Chevelle, trying to get them to fit. It sucked, but I was determined to make them fit because they were soo much cheaper than the hooker headers my buddy bought for his 71 SS(even though his fit perfect). I finally got them to fit, and they worked fine for the time I had the car. I did leave that experience knowing that I would never buy something cheaper again that I had to make work, when I could just save my money a little longer, and get something that fit perfect.
So for those of you that want to buy brand X and make them work, go for it. But don't give us that bullsh*t about "corvette tax". Your "corvette tax" is just the extra money someone spends to buy a product that has been well engineered, and made to fit on a C5.
Finally, if paying a "corvette tax" means I'm going to receive a product of high quality,that has actually been engineered to fit on my car, that bolts up the first time, I don't have to cut holes in my vette or bend air conditioning lines, and my install doesn't precipitate a 20 page thread of "how I made them work"......I'll pay the extra everytime.
, and render their car as yet another experiment for SSA to actually get their sh*t together. I must say, I do derive a sick pleasure in watching you guys do this to yourselves(and your vettes). I remember when I was a kid, beating on a pair of cheap headers I bought for my 72 Chevelle, trying to get them to fit. It sucked, but I was determined to make them fit because they were soo much cheaper than the hooker headers my buddy bought for his 71 SS(even though his fit perfect). I finally got them to fit, and they worked fine for the time I had the car. I did leave that experience knowing that I would never buy something cheaper again that I had to make work, when I could just save my money a little longer, and get something that fit perfect.
So for those of you that want to buy brand X and make them work, go for it. But don't give us that bullsh*t about "corvette tax". Your "corvette tax" is just the extra money someone spends to buy a product that has been well engineered, and made to fit on a C5.
Finally, if paying a "corvette tax" means I'm going to receive a product of high quality,that has actually been engineered to fit on my car, that bolts up the first time, I don't have to cut holes in my vette or bend air conditioning lines, and my install doesn't precipitate a 20 page thread of "how I made them work"......I'll pay the extra everytime.
I guess what pisses me off more than anything, is that you "Claim" you have nothing to do with SSAC, yet you wh*re them out on EVERY ebay thread around. You and a few other members are the contacts for these headers. You are also the guys who move the product for this ebay company. You are also probably the main reason why the headers jumped in price.
You want to "Help" the forum so much, yet you and all your other buddies have yet to become SPONSORS of this forum.
You can not tell me or 95% of the other guys on this forum that you are not either being compensated or given free product in return for peddling their product here.
What pisses me off even more is that this site has allowed this stuff to go on for over a year, yet all the other posts/threads are moderated without any issues.
You are DIRECTLY violating the rules of this forum 100 ways from sunday, yet it continues to go on day after day after day..
You CAN NOT in any way promote or sell the product of a NON SUPPORTING vendor along with links and references to the company on the Corvette Forum.
What i'm saying is, is all it would take is for you to become a supporting vendor, and then you could peddle these headers to your hearts content..
It amazes me how members here can bash the supporting header manufacturers on their price, yet they promote some non supporting ebay junk header company. It just goes to show the loyalty.
Happy Holidays
You want to "Help" the forum so much, yet you and all your other buddies have yet to become SPONSORS of this forum.
You can not tell me or 95% of the other guys on this forum that you are not either being compensated or given free product in return for peddling their product here.
What pisses me off even more is that this site has allowed this stuff to go on for over a year, yet all the other posts/threads are moderated without any issues.
You are DIRECTLY violating the rules of this forum 100 ways from sunday, yet it continues to go on day after day after day..
You CAN NOT in any way promote or sell the product of a NON SUPPORTING vendor along with links and references to the company on the Corvette Forum.
What i'm saying is, is all it would take is for you to become a supporting vendor, and then you could peddle these headers to your hearts content..
It amazes me how members here can bash the supporting header manufacturers on their price, yet they promote some non supporting ebay junk header company. It just goes to show the loyalty.
Happy Holidays
The set we did fit like garbage.. The set was also missing about 10" worth of center pipe to complete it. I actually did a calculation for the customer and he was with in abut $200 to go to a full American Racing set installed with all the extra labor and parts needed to complete this job. The headers we did had no provision for different year passanger side air tubes nor a place to mount the early dipsticks.
Ya sure get what you pay for
Ya sure get what you pay for
Its hard to say because this is the only set we have done and the passanger side header would not even come close to fitting with out having to heat it up and dimple it so it could be bolted up to the head. It was also missing a piece to complete it. A customer trying to install these at home would have had many problems.
chpmnsws6 go play with your ws6 and stop trolling on the vette forum ok? You did call our members useless and now you are back tracking again. Im done. I posted informative information and real world experience.
I have installed 1 million headers. I hope that helps you make a good choice on header purchase.
Last edited by Got uid0; Dec 20, 2007 at 02:06 PM.
Drifting
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Other posts of other members who have dealt with these headers are not useless. The original poster is someone who has personal experiance with a product, so he is NOT useless.
Again I ask, how many headers have YOU installed on a C5?
Even I had to dent the X-pipe on the kooks to make them work, on a 1300+ dollar header setup. I also had to remove the engine mounts to push the engine from side to side, while using a 2x4 to push the engine over even further to get the headers to go into there place. Could this ebay company slowly be making a better product? Is that not the goal of any company, to better themselves to attract customers?
Since you didn't answer the first time I asked, I'll kindly ask again, twice in this post-
How many headers have you installed on a C5?
Again I ask, how many headers have YOU installed on a C5?
Even I had to dent the X-pipe on the kooks to make them work, on a 1300+ dollar header setup. I also had to remove the engine mounts to push the engine from side to side, while using a 2x4 to push the engine over even further to get the headers to go into there place. Could this ebay company slowly be making a better product? Is that not the goal of any company, to better themselves to attract customers?
Since you didn't answer the first time I asked, I'll kindly ask again, twice in this post-
How many headers have you installed on a C5?
Last edited by chpmnsws6; Dec 20, 2007 at 01:53 PM.
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What I really think sucks about this ebay header issue is I have never read one reply from the manufacturer of these headers. Nothing. Other vendors and manufacturers monitor the forum and respond to quality issues and such, but not these guys. I wonder why?
Racer
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I also appreciate the op for the post and insight. I also have a set of Ebay headers and x siting in the garage I need to install. Along with bbk intake and tb should see nice gains from this combo even using "crap" headers 
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The x pipe is not useless..... If you read any other thread where people have used these headers its is obvious that you need about 10" of extra exhaust pipe to complete the system. Do a search on these headers and theres a list made over and over again of the things you will need to complete the system. Good to hear you like them 
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