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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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LOL ... maybe someone else should chew his food and drive his car for him too.
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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I dont feel like reading all of them pages so a simple yes or no would be a good answer for me.
The quick and dirty answer without telling you what to do is:

Scotchbrite or stainless steel wool filter media will trap some of the airborn oil that sails through your PCV line. However, you will still end up with oil in your intake. To trap most or all of that airborn oil, filter media that was designed to trap oil very effectively is highly recommended. I talk about how and why coalescing filters are so efficient in this regard, in the article. The downside? Cost is one. A replacement borosilicate glass coalescing filter runs abot $25 and should be changed at least once per year, whereas a Scotchbrite pad can be cleaned and reinstalled - saving you money at the expense of the oil that escapes, ending up in your intake.

....your decision!

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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:00 PM
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Thank you very much for giving me an intelligent answer with out being rude. People like you actually help the forum and give it a good reputation, the other answer's I got are the reason why some people are afraid to post questions in fear of being belittled by the Forum Bullies that clearly bought a Corvette to compensate for their shortcoming's.

From what you said I understand it will help somewhat but not as good if I actually had some real type of absorbent filter media that will trap oil?

I may still buy one cause even if it helps a little it still helps.

Thank you.


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The quick and dirty answer without telling you what to do is:

Scotchbrite or stainless steel wool filter media will trap some of the airborn oil that sails through your PCV line. However, you will still end up with oil in your intake. To trap most or all of that airborn oil, filter media that was designed to trap oil very effectively is highly recommended. I talk about how and why coalescing filters highly are so efficient in this regard, in the article. The downside? Cost is one. A replacement borosilicate glass coalescing filter runs abot $25 and should be changed at least once per year, whereas a Scotchbrite pad can be cleaned and reinstalled - saving you money at the expense of the oil that escapes, ending up in your intake.

....your decision!
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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You're pretty close.....A coalescing filter is actually a spool of wound glass fiber. It has much more surface area to which airborn oil can cling, compared to a brillo pad-type filter. One vendor is even selling a "catch can" that has only perforated metal as a "filter" and yet others have only an empty can. Essentially, you get what you pay for, but even at high cost, some designs are not much better, since they rely on similar filter media. I've found that the best overall filtration involves combining a liquid and contaminant trap with a coalescing filter. Since many people don't have enough room for a dual-filter setup, I recommend just a coalescing filter. This is what I run:
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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I was thinking about one of them Lawnmower filter's, you know the ones you oil. Maybe installing one of them in the catch can that hasnt been oiled? They sure hold oil great when you oil them so wouldnt they catch oil just as good?
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 10:22 PM
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Nextime,

I like the way you handled the hits you were taking. The thread is very educational.
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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Back in Kindergarten people like that were cool, but you know we all got to grow up sometime and actually teach or educate people who want to learn. This is my first Corvette and I know little about this car and do want to learn, people like that can discourage people from even asking for help like I did.

I have learned a lot from this forum from many of the adults here, too bad there are still a few bullies that need to harass a few who want to learn.

Yes I didnt need to read 15 pages of text for the simple question I asked, a simple quick answer would have been sufficent. I did download the PDF and when I get time I will read it in its entirety.

Thank you all for helping me.

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Nextime,

I like the way you handled the hits you were taking. The thread is very educational.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nextime
I dont feel like reading all of them pages so a simple yes or no would be a good answer for me.
YES ... how's that. You want me to come over and start your car for ya?
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Originally Posted by nextime
I was thinking about one of them Lawnmower filter's, you know the ones you oil. Maybe installing one of them in the catch can that hasnt been oiled? They sure hold oil great when you oil them so wouldnt they catch oil just as good?
"catch can that hasn't been oiled" ... huh? My suggestion is to use the search function and searce for "PCV oil catch can" and edjumidate yourself on the whole subject. But yes is still the answer.
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Originally Posted by nextime
I was thinking about one of them Lawnmower filter's, you know the ones you oil. Maybe installing one of them in the catch can that hasnt been oiled? They sure hold oil great when you oil them so wouldnt they catch oil just as good?
OK........now this is a joke right??
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 03:29 AM
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Like Dave68, who has done a lot of homework on this subject, I use a particulate filter inline with a coalescing filter. Where Dave68 has modified his setup, I use a modified Binks ( unit that was intended for automotive paint applications which has ZERO tolerance for oil or any other contaminates. The Binks uses aluminum catch bowls as well.

Dave68 did not mention , but he well knows that location effects the effiecentcy of the oil catch can, which is why he as well as I mount the units far away from the engines heat ( not on the cylinder head) as possible.

But a simple "yes" will answer your question with a single "but", and that but is in how effective your catch can works in comparrison.

I see that you have a Next Level Performace oil catch can {tank}. Good machine work on that product ( I'm a retired journeyman machinist). I've been looking into adapting a coalescing filter into that particular catch tank. My brother in law is more into looks than function in his engine bay ( form over function) but I want to make it more functional for his track runs. Perhaps combining a cool can?

Always learning.

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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 04:51 AM
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Interesting discussion here. I've been interested in adding a catch-can as well. But I think I'll hold off a bit and see where this topic leads. I'd like to hear further opinions see what other experienced members have done as well.



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OK........now this is a joke right??
Why don't you take the time to explain your thoughts on the matter without continually being rude? You obviously know everything, why not take the time to help POLITELY educate others as well?
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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Interesting discussion here. I've been interested in adding a catch-can as well. But I think I'll hold off a bit and see where this topic leads. I'd like to hear further opinions see what other experienced members have done as well.





Why don't you take the time to explain your thoughts on the matter without continually being rude? You obviously know everything, why not take the time to help POLITELY educate others as well?
Rude? Sorry, not the case. The gentleman that asked the question was directed to the wealth of information that resides in this forum; however, he does not want to take the time to investigate the wealth of information others have submitted. I think it's goofy to spoon feed someone that does not even want to at least take the time to read. I've spent hours reading on this forum. It contains soo much information about unique problems and solutions. The catch can mod is a well documented issue.

As far as the response about using a lawnmower filter on a C5, I started thinking.....this guy is having us on. That's why I though it must be a joke, and this guys is just playing with us. I arrived at this conclusion based on his previous post stating he was a member of other automotive forums, so surely he would not consider using a lawnmower filter on his car.

And no, I don't know everything. My knowledge is obtained through reading the service manual, reading the stickies,consulting with experts like ECS, A&A, RPM etc, and reading this forum about unique problems, solutions, and mods. Since I have a complete GM service manual on CD that includes all models from 1980-2005, I share/email and post info on a regular basis to those that need help, and of course, are willing to read said material.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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OK go back and read my post.... better yet I will get my Crayons out and draw you a picture.

I am typing this real slow because I dont think you can read fast.

The air filters that are used in Lawnmowers need oil in them to trap dirt but ARE NOT PRE-OILED, you oil them first and then install them in your Lawnmower. These Airfilters hold and trap oil in them very well. What I was thinking was installing the catch can and adding one of the Lawnmower filters that has not yet been oiled to the inside of the catch can because these filters really hold oil well. The oily air out of the PCV system will circulate through the catch can and have to pass through the Lawnmower filter that will catch the oil and put less oil vapor back into the engine.

Puts Crayons down.



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Rude? Sorry, not the case. The gentleman that asked the question was directed to the wealth of information that resides in this forum; however, he does not want to take the time to investigate the wealth of information others have submitted. I think it's goofy to spoon feed someone that does not even want to at least take the time to read. I've spent hours reading on this forum. It contains soo much information about unique problems and solutions. The catch can mod is a well documented issue.

As far as the response about using a lawnmower filter on a C5, I started thinking.....this guy is having us on. That's why I though it must be a joke, and this guys is just playing with us. I arrived at this conclusion based on his previous post stating he was a member of other automotive forums, so surely he would not consider using a lawnmower filter on his car.

And no, I don't know everything. My knowledge is obtained through reading the service manual, reading the stickies,consulting with experts like ECS, A&A, RPM etc, and reading this forum about unique problems, solutions, and mods. Since I have a complete GM service manual on CD that includes all models from 1980-2005, I share/email and post info on a regular basis to those that need help, and of course, are willing to read said material.
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OK go back and read my post.... better yet I will get my Crayons out and draw you a picture.

I am typing this real slow because I dont think you can read fast.

The air filters that are used in Lawnmowers need oil in them to trap dirt but ARE NOT PRE-OILED, you oil them first and then install them in your Lawnmower. These Airfilters hold and trap oil in them very well. What I was thinking was installing the catch can and adding one of the Lawnmower filters that has not yet been oiled to the inside of the catch can because these filters really hold oil well. The oily air out of the PCV system will circulate through the catch can and have to pass through the Lawnmower filter that will catch the oil and put less oil vapor back into the engine.

Puts Crayons down.
Thanks for the suggestion on using the crayons.....it helped. Now I have a full understanding having drawn a picture for myself. I used the peach color for the filter, and traditional black for the catch can. I chose to spruce things up a bit by using magenta for the pcv lines, and violet for the pcv valve itself. Having done this, I can clearly see why you would want to use a lawnmower filter on your corvette. Make sure you post pics of the install, I'm sure others will want to try it too.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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No problem.

Seriously the Lawnmower/Small Engine filters do hold and trap oil really good this is why I was thinking that this would work if installed in the catch can, just the filter media not the whole Lawnmower filter assembly.

If you have ever oiled and cleaned a Lawnmower filter you could see my point on how it may be an option to try.
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You can read for days on this subject ... there is no lack of info about it, at least for people who want to read and learn.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/sear...archid=7474879
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Not everything in life needs to go into great depth to be understood or learned. I never read a book or a manual on how to repair cars but I can pull and engine just by looking at it and see how it is attached and re-install it with no issues.

I am sure you have lots of Modifications done to your car, did you read and research on how every part was made, why it was made, what exactly it does, why it does, what it is made out of, or did you just trust some suggestions by other members that have the parts installed and went by their reviews?

Forum member reviews are far better than any 15 page article, they can either destroy the reputation of the part or fully endorse the part and everyone buys it because of all the trusted reviews.
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Originally Posted by dieseldave56
Like Dave68, who has done a lot of homework on this subject, I use a particulate filter inline with a coalescing filter. Where Dave68 has modified his setup, I use a modified Binks ( unit that was intended for automotive paint applications which has ZERO tolerance for oil or any other contaminates. The Binks uses aluminum catch bowls as well.

Dave68 did not mention , but he well knows that location effects the effiecentcy of the oil catch can, which is why he as well as I mount the units far away from the engines heat ( not on the cylinder head) as possible.

But a simple "yes" will answer your question with a single "but", and that but is in how effective your catch can works in comparrison.

I see that you have a Next Level Performace oil catch can {tank}. Good machine work on that product ( I'm a retired journeyman machinist). I've been looking into adapting a coalescing filter into that particular catch tank. My brother in law is more into looks than function in his engine bay ( form over function) but I want to make it more functional for his track runs. Perhaps combining a cool can?

Always learning.
How far away from the heat are you talking. I saw a drag car the other day and he had two catch cans mounted on the firewall. Would you mount them higher, or lower than the inlet tubes. Or does it make any difference. Thanx
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Originally Posted by nextime
Not everything in life needs to go into great depth to be understood or learned. I never read a book or a manual on how to repair cars but I can pull and engine just by looking at it and see how it is attached and re-install it with no issues.

I am sure you have lots of Modifications done to your car, did you read and research on how every part was made, why it was made, what exactly it does, why it does, what it is made out of, or did you just trust some suggestions by other members that have the parts installed and went by their reviews?

Forum member reviews are far better than any 15 page article, they can either destroy the reputation of the part or fully endorse the part and everyone buys it because of all the trusted reviews.
I take the former "road" -- the text in red, as you will learn that not all info on a chat board is accurate. There are many modified PCV systems discussed here that have major issues associated with it. That is because they don’t know the purpose of a system or how it was intended to function based on it’s design. So yes, I study and examine and engineer it from all angles before doing a mod ... otherwise you may just find it's not correct if you just take the first guy's advice on the subject matter.

That is the reason people need to read as many threads and inputs as possible ... the more info you have the easier it will be to see the best way a mod is done.

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