Proxes or Vredesteins?
Le Mans Master
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From: Freezing in the Midwest. Fort Wayne IN. Global warming my azz.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
I had Toyo Proxies on my car when I got it. Good tire, but got very noisy after about 30k miles. They still had a fair amount of tread on them. The previous owner did not get the car aligned correctly so they wore a little uneven.
I then went with GY GSD3's, the non-runflat version. Great tires, a little more $$, but the differance was stunning. Road noise was cut by at least 50%. Grip in wet and dry conditions is fantastic. They have held up great. I have about 25K on them now and I am going to run them again this year in SCCA auto-x. Not worried in the least that they will not perform as well as last year. When I wear these out I will definately buy another set.
Remember, your tires are the only thing keeping you on the road. Don't cheap out on good shoes for your car.
I then went with GY GSD3's, the non-runflat version. Great tires, a little more $$, but the differance was stunning. Road noise was cut by at least 50%. Grip in wet and dry conditions is fantastic. They have held up great. I have about 25K on them now and I am going to run them again this year in SCCA auto-x. Not worried in the least that they will not perform as well as last year. When I wear these out I will definately buy another set.
Remember, your tires are the only thing keeping you on the road. Don't cheap out on good shoes for your car.
Racer
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Chesterfield MI
Have the Vredesteins on a 911 and the Toyo's on a minivan believe it or not. I really like the Vredesteins although it might not be a fair comparison. Wear seems a bit high on the Toyos.....
From my experience with the Vred's....I say they would be my choice of the two.
From my experience with the Vred's....I say they would be my choice of the two.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Nov 2004
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From: Canadian Rockies
Be careful about ordering from the USA. Most vendors use UPS Ground and you'll probably end up paying over $300 in shipping + duty.
Tire Rack is a good vendor to buy from because they'll collect taxes on behalf of the Cdn Govt at the time of purchase. This allows you to bypass the ridiculous duty fees incurred by UPS.
Tire Rack is a good vendor to buy from because they'll collect taxes on behalf of the Cdn Govt at the time of purchase. This allows you to bypass the ridiculous duty fees incurred by UPS.
Former Vendor
Joined: Nov 2005
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From: Spring Texas
St. Jude Donor '08
I recently purchased Toyo Proxes 4 tires. They have a Sick looking tread pattern and excellent stick. Granted I moved to 295's in the rear but I actually have to try with the traction control off to brake loose.
Wet traction is outstanding even on roads with light rain and oil. Nice quiet ride compared to my old khumos.
more info:
http://www.toyo.com/docs/tires/tires...ategory=luxury
http://www.1010tires.com/tirereviews...e_reviews.html
Price is roughly the same as the T1r
Wet traction is outstanding even on roads with light rain and oil. Nice quiet ride compared to my old khumos.
more info:
http://www.toyo.com/docs/tires/tires...ategory=luxury
http://www.1010tires.com/tirereviews...e_reviews.html
Price is roughly the same as the T1r
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From: Texas Hill Country
Are you always so quick to judge people you don't know? Give me a brake you pompous _____.
Here is a quote from a European sports car magazine:
Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta Wins Powercar Summer Tyre Test
The German sports car magazine Powercar has crowned the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta the winner of a test involving eight high-performance summer tyres. According to Powercar, part of the popular German car magazine Auto Zeitung, the Ultrac Sessanta convinced the jury with its top-level results under both wet and dry conditions. On top the Vredestein tyre was also the most attractively priced tyre of the eight that were tested. As part of the test, Powercar examined the performance of eight high-performance summer tyres from renowned tyre manufacturers in the higher segment with the dimensions 245/30 R 20 Y.
During the test, the sports car magazine put the tyres through their paces on both dry and wet surfaces, with the focus placed on handling, braking performance, steering stability and comfort. The Ultrac Sessanta, introduced last year by Vredestein, achieved excellent scores in all areas and was crowned Test Winner by Powercar. According to Powercar, “the Vredestein tyre surprised and convinced, delivering top performance in all areas”.
This outstanding test result ties in perfectly with the podium places that the Vredestein Sportrac 3 already achieved during independent tyre tests carried out earlier. Last year Vredestein introduced the third generation of the Sportrac 3 product range, a tyre that is an excellent, dynamic alternative for drivers who focus more on high performance.
Here is a quote from a European sports car magazine:
Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta Wins Powercar Summer Tyre Test
The German sports car magazine Powercar has crowned the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta the winner of a test involving eight high-performance summer tyres. According to Powercar, part of the popular German car magazine Auto Zeitung, the Ultrac Sessanta convinced the jury with its top-level results under both wet and dry conditions. On top the Vredestein tyre was also the most attractively priced tyre of the eight that were tested. As part of the test, Powercar examined the performance of eight high-performance summer tyres from renowned tyre manufacturers in the higher segment with the dimensions 245/30 R 20 Y.
During the test, the sports car magazine put the tyres through their paces on both dry and wet surfaces, with the focus placed on handling, braking performance, steering stability and comfort. The Ultrac Sessanta, introduced last year by Vredestein, achieved excellent scores in all areas and was crowned Test Winner by Powercar. According to Powercar, “the Vredestein tyre surprised and convinced, delivering top performance in all areas”.
This outstanding test result ties in perfectly with the podium places that the Vredestein Sportrac 3 already achieved during independent tyre tests carried out earlier. Last year Vredestein introduced the third generation of the Sportrac 3 product range, a tyre that is an excellent, dynamic alternative for drivers who focus more on high performance.
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From: Anthony TX
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St. Jude Donor '08
My 02 Z OEM Goodyear SUPER CAR Tires tires were very good tires until one blew out for no reason. They had 27K on them and instead of messing around with the stock tires I juse up graded rims and tires. My choice for rims were CCW 505a rims with Pirelli P Zero tires.
The rims came with Pirelli P zero 305 in the rears and 295 in the front. The reason there called P zero is,, it means ZERO traction!
If you want straight line traction,,,DO NOT purchase P Zero tires!
So,, after they were completely worn out, I replaced them with Toyo T - 1Rs. HOLY CRAP! The TOYOs have some SERIOUS GRIP!!
I increased the rear sizes to 315/25/19 and front are 275/30/19.
I can NOT believe the difference in dry weather grip!
PHENOM AL!. I purchased them in the winter "December" (drive my car year round ) and was amazed that the grip in 20-30 degree weather is very good! Better than any tire I have used previously.
I can only compare OEM Goodyear tires against the P Zeros and TOYO R1s. TOYOS ARE MY TIRE OF CHOICE for now!
The TOYO R1s are very quiet, grip is EXCELLENT work well in wet weather and wear is,, so far very good.
Cant wait to see how they perform in the summer.
BC
The rims came with Pirelli P zero 305 in the rears and 295 in the front. The reason there called P zero is,, it means ZERO traction!
If you want straight line traction,,,DO NOT purchase P Zero tires!So,, after they were completely worn out, I replaced them with Toyo T - 1Rs. HOLY CRAP! The TOYOs have some SERIOUS GRIP!!
I increased the rear sizes to 315/25/19 and front are 275/30/19.
I can NOT believe the difference in dry weather grip!
PHENOM AL!. I purchased them in the winter "December" (drive my car year round ) and was amazed that the grip in 20-30 degree weather is very good! Better than any tire I have used previously.I can only compare OEM Goodyear tires against the P Zeros and TOYO R1s. TOYOS ARE MY TIRE OF CHOICE for now!
The TOYO R1s are very quiet, grip is EXCELLENT work well in wet weather and wear is,, so far very good.
Cant wait to see how they perform in the summer.
BC
