There was supposed to be a test of their brake package. What were the results? I was interested if they were able to live up to the claimed performance.

 

rgregory,

Haven't seen anything as of yet, but we will be installing Baer's 6 piston front and 4 piston rear brake systems on our 2001 Millennium Yellow Coupe while we are installing ATI's procharger.

Here is the king of brake systems:



Info on it can be found here:
http://www.stores.yahoo.com/corvette...rexplus6p.html

We will let everyone know our results on both mods as soon as they are completed.

Thanks!

Shawn


[Modified by L.A.P.D., 10:48 PM 12/18/2001]

 

I have the Dilusi brake set comming next week. I will let everyone know how it goes. Some members already have the Dilusi set-up. Everyone has nothing but positive things to say about the service, and set-up. The Wilwood calipers look awsome as well.
Ray :flag

 

I think Darth Vetter did the test, I think he told me his car stopped in 83 feet. Maybe he'll confirm this. Just think 83 feet :eek: :eek: Your fillings are gonna go thru the windshield. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

 

I have not had a chance to test them myself under controlled circumstances. But I do know that Dave Tittle has already tested them & they stopped his Z06 from 60 MPH in an avg of 86 ft. SW uses these same brakes on his White FRC. I will try to coordinate the test with the Dilusi guys, if I can. I can tell you that they are AWESOME & stop HARD as Hell. I feel much more confident about doing high speed runs with them on the car. I plan to run the Big Bend open Road Race here in TX next April.

 

My concern with the baer 'system' is the rotors. It has been stated time and time again that the 'cross drilled' rotors are prone to cracking 'although they look cool'. I was told that these rotors are not for full blown road racing like at mid ohio, etc. The calipers look fine though, please correct me if I am wrong. Are these the same rotors used in the 'eradispeed' series? If not, are they stating that these rotors are for full blown track use, thanks for the info Shawn, they look cool.

 

I was going to purchase Dilusi rotors in the stock sizes. I just can't afford to pay $1700 for stock size rotors :nonod: So I purchased Baer Eradispeeds for under $700 shipped :D

 

I use Brembo F-50's on my Vette,up frt. only.My car hauls down time and again fron 175 with no effort and no fade.

At XTREME we too are Baer dealers they have a racing system tat sells in the 8500+ range and I have there frts.with 13.25" rotors on my Subaru WRX,and the hi-performance division/racing is Baer Alcon,these like Brembo are great and after using both I recomend the Brembos based on price these are the ultimate C-5 braking system.Happy holidays.David S.
PS we sell and install both systems @ xtreme,any questions call 480-517-4969
and ask for Nate.

 

I still don't get how these aftermarket brake systems allow your car to stop in a shorter distance. If the stock set-up can lock the wheels and activate ABS with reasonable feel it should be a matter of contact patch only. Now if you argue fade resistance and durability I can believe it.

Bob

 

That's exactly what I have been wondering. Can anyone explain how any of these brakes can stop the car faster if heat and fade are not factors? I autocross my car (low speed) and have never had any issues with deterioration of the braking. What would I gain with new brakes? (Other than looks.)

 

I know many C-5 owners getting full optimum performance out of there stock brake system. The guys at VBandP are utilizing this stock system with rotor, hose, pad and fluid upgrades. They are running the stock system with upgrades in full road-race applications and aren't having any fading problems. A couple of buddies of mine bought the kit and say that it's a very good upgrade for the money. I think if you can get the same performance out of the stock brakes for less money then put the money in the motor or handling and make the car faster. :yesnod:

 

Got a link or contact? What are the upgrades part #s or products?

 

What class will you be running? I was planning to run as well.

-Jeremy

 

Wasn't that race canceled last year? Any links for information? I would like to go, but can't find any info.

Thanks

 

A link to the kits you requested is http://www.VBandP.com

 

too funny.
86 feet.
yeah, right, maybe if he was running full slicks and they were heated to operating temperature, and he was on a very sticky track..

the "tech" round here, sometimes it slays me..

the limiting factor in stopping distance, once 'decent' brakes are in use on an abs car is tire traction. period. a bone stock C5 (brake wise) can achieve the shortest possible stopping distance it's (non race slicks) tires are capable of (for any given surface). going to better brakes is to manage fade and component wear.

David
has a prize for anyone that can brake under 100' from 60 on street radials

 

AVETTE,

Baer has options that you can go with if you are a hard core autocrosser.

You don't have to go with the cross drilled and slotted rotors.

Baer's 6 piston front and 4 piston rear brake system comes with your choice of either blank or slotted or cross drilled and slotted rotors. If your wheels allow it, you can go with 13.5", 14" or 15" rotors.

Lingenfelter and Mallett use the same set-up, but with just slotted rotors for out gassing purposes.

This system is the biggest and baddest out there!

Shawn

 

It's not just stopping distance you should look at on brake systems. Brake Fade is a huge issue. Dilusi is what SW runs and I imagaine he could run anything at whatever price. I have heard him talk about how the brakes don't fade during the racing he does and he drives harder than almost anyone here. I imagine also, the Baers are some of the finest as well.

RG

 

Hi Guys,

Shawn asked me to chime in so I'll add my .02. Remember this isn't a sales pitch as I no longer own the company, but hopefully some usefull information.

I have the StageIII brakes on my 01' Z06 (440rwhp/3020lbs) which is the 4th Vette I've had the brakes on. They are 13.60" x 1.38"-6 Piston Calipers in the front and 13.60" x 1.25"-4 Piston Calipers on the rear. The brakes have a parking brake, fit beneath Z06 wheels with no spacers or negative clearance issues and most importantly, DON'T require any changes to the MC or proportioning. I use PFC 93 (front) and PFC 90 (rear) year round on the street and road course.

I've done a couple of tests using a G-Tech and a Stalker Radar Gun combination. Everyone will agree that conditions are always different and results may vary but I repeatedly produced stopping G's of -1.2 to -1.3 (I've seen -1.4 with slicks) and stopping distances under 100' with many between 80 to 90'. Understand the G-Tech pro flickers the peak stopping G's so I'm relying on my (or passengers) vision while stopping.

Now the sceptics are saying that's not possible cause' it's all up to the tires, and at a basic level, the tires are the limiting factor of stopping a car. Of course! When arguing this point however, most people forget about excellent ABS that when used with a balanced system disallowes even the smallest amout of tire lockup. They also overlook the vehicles balance that can be manipulated in order to make the most of the tire contact patch with the road.

Understand that when I constructed the Vette kits the calipers were carefully chosen around the factory balance and certain parts, like the rear kit, were designed to assist nose dive/tire plant etc. For example, the rear StageIII kit is 1.6" larger in diameter with a remarkably larger pad. The result is a dramatically flat stopping posture that now uses the contact patch of ALL FOUR TIRES as opposed to lifting the rears and planting the fronts like the stock setup (or front kits only) have a tendency to do.

The Dilusi kit is specifically designed to have a precise ABS release due to the vehicle balance, front to rear bias, pad and rotor capabilities and the ability for the calipers to release MUCH FASTER than stock.

If you've ridden in a car with these brakes you'll find the ABS works remarkably better than stock and have no tire squeal. All you hear is GGGGRRRRROOOOWWWW as you stop. While giving demo rides I've bruised passengers with the lap and shoulder belts?????

Like most aftermarket brakes like the Alcon system also have larger/better components that dissipate heat better and therefore last longer without fade. They allow you to STOMP the brakes at 150mph and be able to rely on the car to stop straight-and-true without any antics.

As far as what KIT IS BEST? That's up to you as BEST is very subjective. The Dilusi kit will, however, perform as good or better and last as long or longer than kits that cost 2 or 3X as much.

After it's all said and done the proof is still in the pudding. Anyone that vehemently disagrees on stopping distances or G's may contact me and I'll give them a demo ride anytime. You must be over 48" tall, not pregnant or have back problems. Please remove your dentures and contacts prior to test, etc. :):):):)

Better yet, get Motortrend to do a real test and I'll bring my car.

Regards,
Tittle
emailme@davidtittle.com




[Modified by Dilusi, 3:13 PM 12/19/2001]

 

NoCure,
I tend to agree with you and others on stopping distances with aftermarket brakes. Tires are the limiting factor and tires are the reason the Z06 stops quicker than the coupe/vert. They use the same brake sytems.
However if the aftermarket system changes the way the rear brakes respond, then maybe there is something to that.
I want to see a true test from a dealer where they use one test car. Make several stops with the stock system and record an average. Then jack the car up right there and put on the new system. Make the same amount of runs and average those. Then we are seeing a pretty accurate test. Same car, same track, same test equipment, same driver, etc.
A few months ago a dealer (I think it was Dilusi) said bring your stock C5 and we will make some stops with that. Then we will make some stops with our car with the aftermarket system on it. Ours wil stop in a shorter distance.
That is not a test in my book. How can you compare the two cars? The tires could be different, including tread depth, suspension aligned differently, etc.
You get the picture.
Dilusi, are you up to a test like I have described?
I would priobably buy a set if the numbers were there.
Dave