Torque Converter
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Burning Brakes
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From: Elgin Il
Torque Converter
Blew my engine a while back, and had a bunch of new stuff installed.
One of the items installed is a VIG 2800 stall converter, which was recommended by the speed shop.
I don’t like the high stall converter.
I can have it re-stalled to 2400, which I don’t think is a big improvement.
I can have my stock converter rebuilt and reinstalled – which may be what I would like, but my understanding is the stock converter cant handle 550 rwhp.
Or I can hunt down a lower stall converter, which I was hoping someone might know about here on the forum.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
One of the items installed is a VIG 2800 stall converter, which was recommended by the speed shop.
I don’t like the high stall converter.
I can have it re-stalled to 2400, which I don’t think is a big improvement.
I can have my stock converter rebuilt and reinstalled – which may be what I would like, but my understanding is the stock converter cant handle 550 rwhp.
Or I can hunt down a lower stall converter, which I was hoping someone might know about here on the forum.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
Safety Car
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From: Monticello MN
Vigilantes stall higher than their ratings. Don't know why Vigilante does that, they just do. Try a search on the forum on stalls and you will find several references to this fact. I would recommend a Yank SS3200. They are very, very tight, will creep in both Drive and Reverse and drive like stock until you hit the loud pedal. Yank makes a very high quality stall, IMHO. See if you can hook up with someone with an SS3200 and drive it. I believe you'll like it. 
Ed
Ed
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Burning Brakes
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From: Elgin Il
This car is kinda my daily driver beater. I take it to work every day.
It slips until the converter locks up at 42 mph. At lower speed, the motor spins and the car really doesnt go anywhere until you get to about 2500 rpms. Cruising it spins at 2000, and is irritating to me to keep rolling in traffic.
I didnt want a dragster. I just wanted my car to drive to work.
Its fast, but not great for driving daily, which is it's purpose 3 seasons a year.
It slips until the converter locks up at 42 mph. At lower speed, the motor spins and the car really doesnt go anywhere until you get to about 2500 rpms. Cruising it spins at 2000, and is irritating to me to keep rolling in traffic.
I didnt want a dragster. I just wanted my car to drive to work.
Its fast, but not great for driving daily, which is it's purpose 3 seasons a year.
Melting Slicks
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From: Near Jacksonville Fl.
This car is kinda my daily driver beater. I take it to work every day.
It slips until the converter locks up at 42 mph. At lower speed, the motor spins and the car really doesnt go anywhere until you get to about 2500 rpms. Cruising it spins at 2000, and is irritating to me to keep rolling in traffic.
I didnt want a dragster. I just wanted my car to drive to work.
Its fast, but not great for driving daily, which is it's purpose 3 seasons a year.
It slips until the converter locks up at 42 mph. At lower speed, the motor spins and the car really doesnt go anywhere until you get to about 2500 rpms. Cruising it spins at 2000, and is irritating to me to keep rolling in traffic.
I didnt want a dragster. I just wanted my car to drive to work.
Its fast, but not great for driving daily, which is it's purpose 3 seasons a year.
Second have you thought about changing the lockup point to around 37mph?
I have the same converter and found if you drive it a little more agressive it feels better. JMHO
Pro
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From: Ashland Kentucky
Yeah sounds like adjusting your tranny tune would help. You can have it also lock up in 3rd for a little better feel. I also agree on the Yank stall. My PY3600 in my camaro was great. My wife drove it and loved it . And she hates hot rods.
Team Owner
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Something doesn't sound right here. I run a Yank 3500 and it doesn't slip much. It locks up about 40/42, doesn't go to stall speed unless you hit the gas pretty hard. As recommended above, try driving a car with a late model converter with 3200-3500 stall.
Melting Slicks
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From: New Smyrna Beach Florida
There is a converter from an Astrovan that stalls a few hundred RPM higher than stock. Might be the tick for someone who wants a minor change. Also is a full size converter and does not require a tranny cooler. Search under Mike Mercury.
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Blew my engine a while back, and had a bunch of new stuff installed.
One of the items installed is a VIG 2800 stall converter, which was recommended by the speed shop.
I don’t like the high stall converter.
I can have it re-stalled to 2400, which I don’t think is a big improvement.
I can have my stock converter rebuilt and reinstalled – which may be what I would like, but my understanding is the stock converter cant handle 550 rwhp.
Or I can hunt down a lower stall converter, which I was hoping someone might know about here on the forum.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
One of the items installed is a VIG 2800 stall converter, which was recommended by the speed shop.
I don’t like the high stall converter.
I can have it re-stalled to 2400, which I don’t think is a big improvement.
I can have my stock converter rebuilt and reinstalled – which may be what I would like, but my understanding is the stock converter cant handle 550 rwhp.
Or I can hunt down a lower stall converter, which I was hoping someone might know about here on the forum.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
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Burning Brakes
Joined: May 2003
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From: Elgin Il
Great suggestions guys.
Thanks for the help.
I had the lock up at 55 for ~two weeks, and stock settings for ~1 week. New set up for 3 weeks.
I'll look at dropping the converter lock a tad lower. I just had it changed from 55 mph lock up to stock, and it's stioll awfully slippy, but a huge improvement.
Thanks for the help.
I had the lock up at 55 for ~two weeks, and stock settings for ~1 week. New set up for 3 weeks.
I'll look at dropping the converter lock a tad lower. I just had it changed from 55 mph lock up to stock, and it's stioll awfully slippy, but a huge improvement.
Safety Car
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From: Monticello MN
Vigilantes stall higher than their ratings. Don't know why Vigilante does that, they just do. Try a search on the forum on stalls and you will find several references to this fact. I would recommend a Yank SS3200. They are very, very tight, will creep in both Drive and Reverse and drive like stock until you hit the loud pedal. Yank makes a very high quality stall, IMHO. See if you can hook up with someone with an SS3200 and drive it. I believe you'll like it.
Ed
Ed
Ed
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All autos should have a tranny cooler. The 4L6Xe tranny is junk. It should always have a cooler to increase longevity.
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This car is kinda my daily driver beater. I take it to work every day.
It slips until the converter locks up at 42 mph. At lower speed, the motor spins and the car really doesnt go anywhere until you get to about 2500 rpms. Cruising it spins at 2000, and is irritating to me to keep rolling in traffic.
I didnt want a dragster. I just wanted my car to drive to work.
Its fast, but not great for driving daily, which is it's purpose 3 seasons a year.
It slips until the converter locks up at 42 mph. At lower speed, the motor spins and the car really doesnt go anywhere until you get to about 2500 rpms. Cruising it spins at 2000, and is irritating to me to keep rolling in traffic.
I didnt want a dragster. I just wanted my car to drive to work.
Its fast, but not great for driving daily, which is it's purpose 3 seasons a year.
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And yes, you may have to "dumb yourself down", because there are members on this forum that struggle with changing out light bulbs(Mike Mecury not included)...thus, the nature of a public forum.
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From: Marlton. Increasing performance one speeding ticket at a time! NJ
Blew my engine a while back, and had a bunch of new stuff installed.
One of the items installed is a VIG 2800 stall converter, which was recommended by the speed shop.
I don’t like the high stall converter.
I can have it re-stalled to 2400, which I don’t think is a big improvement.
I can have my stock converter rebuilt and reinstalled – which may be what I would like, but my understanding is the stock converter cant handle 550 rwhp.
Or I can hunt down a lower stall converter, which I was hoping someone might know about here on the forum.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
One of the items installed is a VIG 2800 stall converter, which was recommended by the speed shop.
I don’t like the high stall converter.
I can have it re-stalled to 2400, which I don’t think is a big improvement.
I can have my stock converter rebuilt and reinstalled – which may be what I would like, but my understanding is the stock converter cant handle 550 rwhp.
Or I can hunt down a lower stall converter, which I was hoping someone might know about here on the forum.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
If it's heads/cam, then you have a BIG problem with going back to a stock stall. Larger cams require higher idles. Higher idles on a stock stall will be brutal. And you think you don't like how it drives now............
I just installed a cam in my TA with the stock stall. I also knew I was going to have issues, but was willing to live with it TEMPORARILY until I replaced the stall.
I have the Yank SS3200 and you absolutely cannot tell it's there. My wife wanted to know why I spent all that money for something that she couldn't tell was even there.
The only thing that can be detected is the lock/unlock is more pronouced.I'd do either of two things. Go with a Yank, they are supurb. But first, get your tune looked at. Vig's do stall higher, but in no way should you be having issues. A simple look at the TCC table might be why you don't like it.
So again, if you've cammed.........absolutely do not go back to your stock stall.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Elgin Il
Unfortunately, I didn't see anyone ask the most important question. What are your mods? You say 550hp, how did you get there?
If it's heads/cam, then you have a BIG problem with going back to a stock stall. Larger cams require higher idles. Higher idles on a stock stall will be brutal. And you think you don't like how it drives now............
I just installed a cam in my TA with the stock stall. I also knew I was going to have issues, but was willing to live with it TEMPORARILY until I replaced the stall.
I have the Yank SS3200 and you absolutely cannot tell it's there. My wife wanted to know why I spent all that money for something that she couldn't tell was even there. The only thing that can be detected is the lock/unlock is more pronouced.
I'd do either of two things. Go with a Yank, they are supurb. But first, get your tune looked at. Vig's do stall higher, but in no way should you be having issues. A simple look at the TCC table might be why you don't like it.
So again, if you've cammed.........absolutely do not go back to your stock stall.
If it's heads/cam, then you have a BIG problem with going back to a stock stall. Larger cams require higher idles. Higher idles on a stock stall will be brutal. And you think you don't like how it drives now............
I just installed a cam in my TA with the stock stall. I also knew I was going to have issues, but was willing to live with it TEMPORARILY until I replaced the stall.
I have the Yank SS3200 and you absolutely cannot tell it's there. My wife wanted to know why I spent all that money for something that she couldn't tell was even there.
The only thing that can be detected is the lock/unlock is more pronouced.I'd do either of two things. Go with a Yank, they are supurb. But first, get your tune looked at. Vig's do stall higher, but in no way should you be having issues. A simple look at the TCC table might be why you don't like it.
So again, if you've cammed.........absolutely do not go back to your stock stall.
