Unlocking steering wheel with no chip key...
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Again they will need to know the pelet resistance for the car, if that is unknown get all the keys.
What happened to the original keys?
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yes i tried to contact dealers, many times, even i called chevy today. they said they are not answering technical questions so i called random dealer he said its many possibilities we have to see the car. To get key from the dealer in us you have to come to the dealership with id and registration. which is not possible for me here in lt. the "local" gm dealer ordered bare gm key and asked me to take door lock out and go to the locksmith to make the key from it and then he said ask locksmith to cut the ignition key from his bare key (he said his key has the right vats..) i didnt believe him and walked away cause he was asking for bare key $100 bucks. i asked him many times just to get me key from vin number but he said its not possible. i bought the car from insurance auction and it come with no key from states. i was lucky enough to find previous owner though. he sent me the Courtesy tm key..
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ttbestas, take the ign lock/switch assy out and take it to a locksmith and see if he can make a non-vats key for it. If not, if he can get the lock cylinder out of it, get the tumblers removed. Then it can be turned on with a screwdriver. Get it so it can be turned on and off, then it's just a matter of bypassing vats. That's not hard to do, just very time consuming, since you don't know the resistor value. Do you have the service manuals?
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ttbestas, take the ign lock/switch assy out and take it to a locksmith and see if he can make a non-vats key for it. If not, if he can get the lock cylinder out of it, get the tumblers removed. Then it can be turned on with a screwdriver. Get it so it can be turned on and off, then it's just a matter of bypassing vats. That's not hard to do, just very time consuming, since you don't know the resistor value. Do you have the service manuals?
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When I see that close-up my key has more cuts on the one side where that one is flat. Oddly, my key is not symmetric at that end. So, I'd believe what is posted about the doors and ignition cylinders having different numbers of tumblers.
I'll also say that you have to pull the ignition cylinder and go from there. You should be able to get a non vats key cut from it and then once you can turn the ignition on and off you can figure out the vats resistor and get a proper key made.
How did you end up with buying an insurance auction car from a US auction and taking it to Italy???
Peter
I'll also say that you have to pull the ignition cylinder and go from there. You should be able to get a non vats key cut from it and then once you can turn the ignition on and off you can figure out the vats resistor and get a proper key made.
How did you end up with buying an insurance auction car from a US auction and taking it to Italy???
Peter
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First of all, if the recalls have been performed correctly, the steering wheel will not be able to lock, as the lock-plate was removed during the second recall. Unless there is something wrong in the column, the wheel should be able to move.
As others have said, a correctly cut key will turn the ignition lock, but without the correct resistor in it, the cars security will not allow the car to start.
You might want to have someone familiar with the column look at the car to determine why it is locked... I'm betting the second recall was not performed or at least not performed correctly.
Good luck... GUSTO
As others have said, a correctly cut key will turn the ignition lock, but without the correct resistor in it, the cars security will not allow the car to start.
You might want to have someone familiar with the column look at the car to determine why it is locked... I'm betting the second recall was not performed or at least not performed correctly.
Good luck... GUSTO
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update...
so i finally decided to do it brutal way. i called locksmith, they come and took ignition lock assembly out. it took them about 5-10 minutes with no instructions first time working on the car. i never thought it going to be that easy. they took my Courtesy tm key as well, they said that they will make key which will turn the ignition lock and open doors but wont start the car. im ok with that so far.
hope i wont have problems with the steering wheel and i will be able to unlock it when i have the key from the locksmith.
Byronhunter thank you so much for that long detailed email. loads of good info in there. I really appreciate that.
lionelhuts, i imported car to lithuania cause it was much cheaper then to buy one here. just saw one 97' on sale for 30k dollars. euro dollar rate was good back then when i bought it.
other idea i have is wont bother with the ignition lock at all just do the red start button like on honda s2000 or something. but then i would still have problem with steering wheel lock.
so i finally decided to do it brutal way. i called locksmith, they come and took ignition lock assembly out. it took them about 5-10 minutes with no instructions first time working on the car. i never thought it going to be that easy. they took my Courtesy tm key as well, they said that they will make key which will turn the ignition lock and open doors but wont start the car. im ok with that so far.
hope i wont have problems with the steering wheel and i will be able to unlock it when i have the key from the locksmith.
Byronhunter thank you so much for that long detailed email. loads of good info in there. I really appreciate that.
lionelhuts, i imported car to lithuania cause it was much cheaper then to buy one here. just saw one 97' on sale for 30k dollars. euro dollar rate was good back then when i bought it.
other idea i have is wont bother with the ignition lock at all just do the red start button like on honda s2000 or something. but then i would still have problem with steering wheel lock.
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update...
so i finally decided to do it brutal way. i called locksmith, they come and took ignition lock assembly out. it took them about 5-10 minutes with no instructions first time working on the car. i never thought it going to be that easy. they took my Courtesy tm key as well, they said that they will make key which will turn the ignition lock and open doors but wont start the car. im ok with that so far.
hope i wont have problems with the steering wheel and i will be able to unlock it when i have the key from the locksmith.
Byronhunter thank you so much for that long detailed email. loads of good info in there. I really appreciate that.
lionelhuts, i imported car to lithuania cause it was much cheaper then to buy one here. just saw one 97' on sale for 30k dollars. euro dollar rate was good back then when i bought it.
other idea i have is wont bother with the ignition lock at all just do the red start button like on honda s2000 or something. but then i would still have problem with steering wheel lock.
so i finally decided to do it brutal way. i called locksmith, they come and took ignition lock assembly out. it took them about 5-10 minutes with no instructions first time working on the car. i never thought it going to be that easy. they took my Courtesy tm key as well, they said that they will make key which will turn the ignition lock and open doors but wont start the car. im ok with that so far.
hope i wont have problems with the steering wheel and i will be able to unlock it when i have the key from the locksmith.
Byronhunter thank you so much for that long detailed email. loads of good info in there. I really appreciate that.
lionelhuts, i imported car to lithuania cause it was much cheaper then to buy one here. just saw one 97' on sale for 30k dollars. euro dollar rate was good back then when i bought it.
other idea i have is wont bother with the ignition lock at all just do the red start button like on honda s2000 or something. but then i would still have problem with steering wheel lock.
Another option would be to go to an electronics store and get 14 resistors for each value on the tables for the key found on the ebay key auctions, and wire them into the vats wire, when you get the right one, remove the resistor and order the correct key
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ok..
after searching and reading i understood that even brutal way wont be easy. first i thought disabling vats in PCM with Hp tunners will solve the problem, but it actually works like this. First device to overcome is BCM(which needs one right resistance of 15 possible) with right resistance BCM sends signal to PCM to allow fuel delivery. BCM also unlocks the steering wheel with correct resistance key and energize the theft deterrent relay( which i think enables starter)...
So lets say i have all 15 right resistors or all 15 keys from flybay. i disable vats in PCM... so what would be procedure for finding the right resistance. I'm not sure how long i have to wait after each try. I think i saw somewhere that BCM disables sampling for 3 min. but cant remember where i saw now someone said it was 10min...Maybe someone knows for sure? thanks
after searching and reading i understood that even brutal way wont be easy. first i thought disabling vats in PCM with Hp tunners will solve the problem, but it actually works like this. First device to overcome is BCM(which needs one right resistance of 15 possible) with right resistance BCM sends signal to PCM to allow fuel delivery. BCM also unlocks the steering wheel with correct resistance key and energize the theft deterrent relay( which i think enables starter)...
So lets say i have all 15 right resistors or all 15 keys from flybay. i disable vats in PCM... so what would be procedure for finding the right resistance. I'm not sure how long i have to wait after each try. I think i saw somewhere that BCM disables sampling for 3 min. but cant remember where i saw now someone said it was 10min...Maybe someone knows for sure? thanks
Your next brutal option here is to get the right vats chip would be to get 14 9.99 keys off ebay.1 for each code, Have them all cut and try them untill one works...
Another option would be to go to an electronics store and get 14 resistors for each value on the tables for the key found on the ebay key auctions, and wire them into the vats wire, when you get the right one, remove the resistor and order the correct key
Another option would be to go to an electronics store and get 14 resistors for each value on the tables for the key found on the ebay key auctions, and wire them into the vats wire, when you get the right one, remove the resistor and order the correct key
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Wait time is 4 minutes.
From photo above the key cut is 1322343422
I would cut the 'ebay' key you have now to match courtesy key and try that in ignition.
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so locksmith guys come back today with ignition assembly, they put it back in. they probably changed lock mechanism or something cause now my courtesy tm key can turn the ignition lock to "on" or even "start" positions(paid $100). Still cant start the car though, steering wheel is locked, when checked codes i saw that im getting all these security related codes from BCM. I disabled Vats with hp tuners, still no luck. when turning key to "start", gauges go off, not all of them, maybe half(something like battery was not charged enough), no engine cranking, i can hear clicking sound on the passenger side though(theft deterrent relay??). Tmrw ill try to get some resistors and wait 4 min after each try. thanks guys.
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Byron, thanks for your input. i used to think like that to, but now im not sure about that. too bad i have no manuals yet. i saw somethere that first security thing is BCM which checks for the right resistanse key. then it sends signal to PCM to enable fuel, i think BCM enables starter. You can disable Vats in PCM but you cant erase them in BCM.
BCM also unlocks the steering wheel. have no idea what vats doing in the PCM though and what they for there. any ideas?
BCM also unlocks the steering wheel. have no idea what vats doing in the PCM though and what they for there. any ideas?
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im so excited now. finally i was able to start the car. i bouhgt 15 diferent resistors and one them was good. BCM unlocked steering wheel as well, car started right up after beeing not driveable for so long.
thank you guys.
thank you guys.
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BTW, the latest steering by-pass removes the locking plate from the steering wheel. Had it done to my 99 FRC.
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See post #14 in this thread for resister values: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1921967
P.S. I sent you a PM (reply to your PM)
P.P.S. Install a CLB
Good Luck.
