supercharger v. head/cam/intake package
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supercharger v. head/cam/intake package
Hi all:
Theoretical question:
I have a 2003 z06 and am trying to decide on major performance mods. What would be the expected rw hp/tqe output resulting from a supercharger system supported by blower cam and heads in addition to a FAST 92mm intake manifold versus just a cam, heads and FAST 92mm intake manifold setup which would increase the c/r to around 11:1?
I realize that if I go with option 2, I am probably locked in at that level unless I would be willing to change all components again.
This is a weekend driver and already has TPIS l/t tubes and b&b speedway exhaust system.
Also, what have most of you experienced (%) in realtion to drivetrain power loss from fwhp to rwhp?
Thanks in advance
Theoretical question:
I have a 2003 z06 and am trying to decide on major performance mods. What would be the expected rw hp/tqe output resulting from a supercharger system supported by blower cam and heads in addition to a FAST 92mm intake manifold versus just a cam, heads and FAST 92mm intake manifold setup which would increase the c/r to around 11:1?
I realize that if I go with option 2, I am probably locked in at that level unless I would be willing to change all components again.
This is a weekend driver and already has TPIS l/t tubes and b&b speedway exhaust system.
Also, what have most of you experienced (%) in realtion to drivetrain power loss from fwhp to rwhp?
Thanks in advance
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From: Dyer, IN
Hi all:
Theoretical question:
I have a 2003 z06 and am trying to decide on major performance mods. What would be the expected rw hp/tqe output resulting from a supercharger system supported by blower cam and heads in addition to a FAST 92mm intake manifold versus just a cam, heads and FAST 92mm intake manifold setup which would increase the c/r to around 11:1?
I realize that if I go with option 2, I am probably locked in at that level unless I would be willing to change all components again.
This is a weekend driver and already has TPIS l/t tubes and b&b speedway exhaust system.
Also, what have most of you experienced (%) in realtion to drivetrain power loss from fwhp to rwhp?
Thanks in advance
Theoretical question:
I have a 2003 z06 and am trying to decide on major performance mods. What would be the expected rw hp/tqe output resulting from a supercharger system supported by blower cam and heads in addition to a FAST 92mm intake manifold versus just a cam, heads and FAST 92mm intake manifold setup which would increase the c/r to around 11:1?
I realize that if I go with option 2, I am probably locked in at that level unless I would be willing to change all components again.
This is a weekend driver and already has TPIS l/t tubes and b&b speedway exhaust system.
Also, what have most of you experienced (%) in realtion to drivetrain power loss from fwhp to rwhp?
Thanks in advance
Safety Car
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From: Chicago-NW Burbs Illinois
You'll make more power with a blower then any radical H/C package alone. But, when combining H/C with a blower....you're talkin' serious power. As mentioned above, at least 600rwhp at low to moderate boost.
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We have customers with stock untouched heads / intake with 346 ci, with our blower kit and custom cam making over 700 and a few other pushing 800+ at the wheels .
Comparatively, my personal car with a pretty substantial H/C package makes 504@ the wheels.
We can certianly make more power with boost then a stock cube H/C set up. Give me or Chris a call if you have any questions!
Comparatively, my personal car with a pretty substantial H/C package makes 504@ the wheels.
We can certianly make more power with boost then a stock cube H/C set up. Give me or Chris a call if you have any questions!
Safety Car
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From: Taylorsville North Carolina
If it is just a weekend warrior, I would go with the SC. Tons of power, fun to drive, cool sound, plus you can switch back to stock if you sell your car. If you are going to road race it, maybe not the way to go. H/C/I can give you good power, especially low end torque, but you have to deal with idle issues, gas fumes and maybe lower gas mileage. I am speaking as someone who has had both. Good luck with your choice. Either way, you drive with a smile
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Le Mans Master
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From: East Peoria Illinois
a blower is fun if you dont want to dig in your motor. You can slap in on in a day and tune it and be done with 500+ rwhp. But sooner or later, detonation will fine you. the LS motor is tuff, but it is stock
I am partial to all motor myself. Have you gave any thought to just getting a new motor? big cubes? it will cost a bit more, but you can get 550+rwhp from all NA and walk blowers that have 700. the low end TQ is so much fun.
But, H/C/I is good way to go as well and is cheap(er) than a blower. Depending on how crazy you get with what heads.
Do AFR 205's, a 231/237 cam and a 92mm FAST and you will be making good power and be very streetable. no idel issues, thats all in the tune. When I had heads and cam WITH a 4.10 gear, I was still getting 26MPG on the highway. But if its a toy, who cares?! I get about 14 now and couldnt be happier
I am partial to all motor myself. Have you gave any thought to just getting a new motor? big cubes? it will cost a bit more, but you can get 550+rwhp from all NA and walk blowers that have 700. the low end TQ is so much fun.
But, H/C/I is good way to go as well and is cheap(er) than a blower. Depending on how crazy you get with what heads.
Do AFR 205's, a 231/237 cam and a 92mm FAST and you will be making good power and be very streetable. no idel issues, thats all in the tune. When I had heads and cam WITH a 4.10 gear, I was still getting 26MPG on the highway. But if its a toy, who cares?! I get about 14 now and couldnt be happier
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From: long Island NY
I would not open the motor at all. Install a blower such as as Novi,meth kit,headers,x-pipe,hi-flow cats,and exhaust with a safe tune you will easily do 550rwhp.If you have any money left while your doing this work
I would do the clutch,DTE brace,and output shaft.This is a killer set up and you can enjoy the car without killing it, then at a later time you can do a forged upgrade and go to the 700+ club
I would do the clutch,DTE brace,and output shaft.This is a killer set up and you can enjoy the car without killing it, then at a later time you can do a forged upgrade and go to the 700+ club
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dude ...i did milled afrs fast intake and a decent cam with gears and a stall.....results were good and fun but was just not enough...sold all my stuff and went with a a&a vortec kit.....i'm making 130 more rwhp and the car really feels fast all over the rev band....if i had to do it all over again (that would be the 3rd time) i would just but a t trim kit from a&a or the ecs novi kit...its enoghh for a easy high 10sec car...car made 440 on h/c car makes 560 now
Le Mans Master
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From: York PA
We have customers with stock untouched heads / intake with 346 ci, with our blower kit and custom cam making over 700 and a few other pushing 800+ at the wheels .
Comparatively, my personal car with a pretty substantial H/C package makes 504@ the wheels.
We can certianly make more power with boost then a stock cube H/C set up. Give me or Chris a call if you have any questions!
Comparatively, my personal car with a pretty substantial H/C package makes 504@ the wheels.
We can certianly make more power with boost then a stock cube H/C set up. Give me or Chris a call if you have any questions!
Check out the "Stage 1" Kit Herehttp://www.eastcoastsupercharging.com/SC600.html
Burning Brakes
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i have been thinking about this also. if i stay n/a i would want to do a stroker plus h/c/i. But i love the way my car drives on the street. Just coming from a ford lightning (pd blower) it is hard not to go with a supercharger. It was very easy to increase your power with a change of a pulley and tune. I have spent a lot of time researching this and the best route for me is a supercharger. I am keeping my stock cube, heads and intake. But i plan on installing a ecs sc600, ecs blower cam and a set of long tubes. I want to keep my great street manners but have enough power to run some quick times at the strip. With ECS and A@A selling blower kits at low prices you really can get a great deal for the amount of power their kits make.
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It all depends how much horsepower you want. If you are only looking to stay in the 800RWHP or below range, then a supercharger is a no brainer.....not to mention....a very easy install. Also, very easy to return to stock.
Le Mans Master
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From: York PA
i have been thinking about this also. if i stay n/a i would want to do a stroker plus h/c/i. But i love the way my car drives on the street. Just coming from a ford lightning (pd blower) it is hard not to go with a supercharger. It was very easy to increase your power with a change of a pulley and tune. I have spent a lot of time researching this and the best route for me is a supercharger. I am keeping my stock cube, heads and intake. But i plan on installing a ecs sc600, ecs blower cam and a set of long tubes. I want to keep my great street manners but have enough power to run some quick times at the strip. With ECS and A@A selling blower kits at low prices you really can get a great deal for the amount of power their kits make.
Good Choice
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From: Bridgewater Ma
My typical customer go with the blower.A stock Z06 with headers and valve springs can make 520-590 very safely.Add some meth and push it alittle and we get up to 700-740rwhp on that stock motor.
When/if it blows we go with a very mild stroker motor and make a close 700-780rwhp but gain 100+rwhp across the midrange.Stock drivability and seriously fast daily driver.
When/if it blows we go with a very mild stroker motor and make a close 700-780rwhp but gain 100+rwhp across the midrange.Stock drivability and seriously fast daily driver.