Beehive Springs Retainer & Locks ?
Le Mans Master
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From: Belleville Il
I would say NO!!The Whole concept of the bee hive springs is that there is that the spring diameter tapers to a noticeably smaller diameter at the top.The two main reasons is to reduce harmonics at higher RPM and to reduce reciprocating mass at the tip,,which is mainly comprised of the retainers and locks. From what I remember reading this smaller size acts similar to replacing stock retainers with titanium pieces at a much smaller price! Stock probably wouldn't fit on beehives anyhow.
Team Owner
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From: At the beach in little Rhody
I would say NO!!The Whole concept of the bee hive springs is that there is that the spring diameter tapers to a noticeably smaller diameter at the top.The two main reasons is to reduce harmonics at higher RPM and to reduce reciprocating mass at the tip,,which is mainly comprised of the retainers and locks. From what I remember reading this smaller size acts similar to replacing stock retainers with titanium pieces at a much smaller price! Stock probably wouldn't fit on beehives anyhow.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Lake Ozark, MO
Was told to just buyt the Comp springs and use the stock steel retainers and locks...since there was a conflict with info found on this subject....I put it here...and we seem to have a conflict too on agreeing if the stocks can be used.
Melting Slicks
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From: Leon Iowa
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
Yes you can use the stock locks and retainers with the behive springs like the comp 918 or pac. Though I will never use comp 918s again in my life. My engine could of be trashed because of the 918s. I was lucky and caught it in time. 8 out of 16 broken spring and comp even admited it was the spring.
Burning Brakes
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From: Derry NH
Yes you can use the stock locks and retainers with the behive springs like the comp 918 or pac. Though I will never use comp 918s again in my life. My engine could of be trashed because of the 918s. I was lucky and caught it in time. 8 out of 16 broken spring and comp even admited it was the spring.
This was an issue at one point, when did you buy these springs?
I have been using comp 918s for over 3 years. 1 year with stock retainers and the rest with Ti retainers. These springs see 6800 RPM on the track frequently and I have had no issues at all. Edelbrock/Lingenfelter even uses them on their heads, that is all the R&D I need. Also, the edelbrock heads have Ti retainers fwiw.
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Team Owner
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From: At the beach in little Rhody
There are several beehives out there. My personal favorites is the PSI 1511ML, but not sure on stock retainers with them. Second, in my opinion, would be the PAC 1518 followed by the PAC 1218. PAC used to make the Comp 918's until they switched vendors (and ran into problems). The PAC 1218 is the equivalent to the original good Comp 918. The 1518's have additonal surface treatment for longer life.
Last edited by vettenuts; Jan 9, 2009 at 07:56 PM.
Former Vendor
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From: Lubbock Texas
With a Comp 918 spring, you CAN use the factory retainers and locks.
The issues Comp had with the springs has been resolved with a completely new spring. It has been well over a year since we have seen an issue with the 918's. I wouldn't sweat it at all putting one on my car. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Jon
Texas Speed & Performance
The issues Comp had with the springs has been resolved with a completely new spring. It has been well over a year since we have seen an issue with the 918's. I wouldn't sweat it at all putting one on my car. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Jon
Texas Speed & Performance
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From: At the beach in little Rhody
Le Mans Master
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From: Belleville Il
!! Learning something new here all the time!!Sorry!!
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Safety Car
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From: Vancouver Washington
This was an issue at one point, when did you buy these springs?
I have been using comp 918s for over 3 years. 1 year with stock retainers and the rest with Ti retainers. These springs see 6800 RPM on the track frequently and I have had no issues at all. Edelbrock/Lingenfelter even uses them on their heads, that is all the R&D I need. Also, the edelbrock heads have Ti retainers fwiw.
I have been using comp 918s for over 3 years. 1 year with stock retainers and the rest with Ti retainers. These springs see 6800 RPM on the track frequently and I have had no issues at all. Edelbrock/Lingenfelter even uses them on their heads, that is all the R&D I need. Also, the edelbrock heads have Ti retainers fwiw.
