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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Need some help, just wanted to see what kind of numbers people are getting with their 348. Had one built but when it went to the dyno, the numbers were really low (in my opinion). Seem like most people are in the 450-500 range. This motor only made 402 rwhp. Below are the specs from the build, just trying to get some opinions and maybe a clue as to why the motor just isn't making the HP. Oh one more thing, we did find out the builder made a mistake with one of the pistions. They installed one pistion which was 0.010 smaller than the others. Thats been taken care of.

Mahle Forged Pistons
Callies Compstar Rods
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ARP main studs
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FAST 90 intake manifold
230/232 x 112 cam
AFR dual springs w/ Ti retainers
Manley hardened pushrods
Stock GM LS1 block
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11.49.1 compression ratio
AFR 205 heads
stainless steel rings

this in the NA set up and then it has nitrous but we've yet to spray since we've had these problems and didn't want to damage anything.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 02:06 PM
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That does seem kinda low for that build..
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 03:35 PM
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Actually that seems about right, maybe a bit low, but not much. How did you measure compression? what are the lift specs of the cam? What TB ar eyou running? Any additional head work? Whose headers? cats or catless? etc, etc, etc
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 03:39 PM
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A couple of things come to mind. Have you done a compression check, and a leakdown? The rings may not be sealing fully. Also, what about exhaust? Are you running headers? What kind? what kind of mufflers? A good port job on the FAST 90 could net ~ 8-10 more. What kind of trans? What gears? What was your AFR, timing, etc. Have you checked cam phase? What does the dyno graph look like? You may be getting some float. How about spark knock?
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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the compression test was done by proline. exhaust is kooks long tubes, x pipe and z06 ti exhaust. air intake is vararam, 3.73 gears. AFR was 12, not much timing was added and no knock. I'll post pics of the dyno run. keep in mind the run was with a piston which was 0.010 too small. Since then the new piston has been replaced.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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here is one of the pulls

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and one more, this was the highest hp we could get. sorry the video is kind of jumpy

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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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I'd drive that thing over to Atlanta and have MTI take a look at it. Not to far away looking at your location.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 12:28 AM
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the motor is from GA, Proline built the motor but its being tuned here in AL by Speedsouth (very trustworthy). I'm just wondering if the motor got the wrong part or if something is wrong internal
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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In your profile you have a 2002 coupe which would give you
about 290-310 stock, so your numbers are pretty close.
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Originally Posted by lar66BB
In your profile you have a 2002 coupe which would give you
about 290-310 stock, so your numbers are pretty close.
that was my old car, it was sold about two years ago. This motor was built and it too is in a 2002. The old car had air intake, LG long tubes, x-pipe, no cats, slp loudmouth, thermostat, and custom tune very simialr to the set up on the new 2002. The old set up made 346 rwph. Comparing both set ups, its like comparing apples to oranges when it comes to money (about three times as much; not including install). Seems like the numbers on the built motor should be higher. Since the motor made 472 rwph orginally. It was taken out of a road course car but only had made a few passes.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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Find someone with HP Tuners and do some data logging.
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You need to do a compression test and leakdown test.....anything else would be stabbing in the dark
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do another run with your new piston.
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Originally Posted by LDB C5
Actually that seems about right, maybe a bit low, but not much. How did you measure compression? what are the lift specs of the cam? What TB ar eyou running? Any additional head work? Whose headers? cats or catless? etc, etc, etc
I agree your numbers are not that bad. You still could be very
pleased with your engine after a few passes at the track.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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Those numbers look low. If you had a piston problem, then get it resolved and retry it.
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What kind of dyno was that? If it was a Mustang, they use a different method of obtaining power levels than a DynoJet and the numbers are about 10% lower. That could be where your power is.

If the piston issue was fixed before these runs I would do a leakdown, not just a compression test. If all the above has been verified I would look at the cam phase. I can't see the grid numbers where the torque peaks. It looks low. Just my $.02

I would think with that setup you should be seeing at least 440rwhp/400 rwtq.
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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 04:11 AM
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More than likely its the dyno... I've seen numbers on the stock ls1 from 280-345... Dynos are just a tool to measure from mod to mod... Take it to the track and let us know
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i'll get the a/f ratio in check, an take it to the track. see what it traps
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its a mustang dyno, which yeah would read lower than the dynojet. although, the piston was the problem, ended up having one piston too small...
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