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I know how much the system holds. My question is approximately how much do you get out of the system if you just drain from the radiator petcock? I'm on the way to store for dexcool and distilled water for a drain and refill only.
There are always several quarts left in the block. When draining make sure you refill with clear water and run the engine to get the old coolant out of the block. It usually takes a couple of drains and refills to get clear drained water. Once you have done that you can add half the system's capacity in Dex and top off with clear water. It takes a few bottles of water to do the drain flush repeatedly but that is the only way to get the old stuff out. A hose is much easier to use and that is what I use.
The system holds around 12 quarts. You can drain all but 2 quarts IF you keep the car level while draining. But you have to use a very short drain pan(s) and empty it (them) several times.
I usually get a little over 8 quarts of the 12 quarts out, so I don't worry about flushing the block.
I also never let Dexcool stay in the car over 2-3 years instead of the 5 years that GM claims it should last. If I were pushing the coolant to the limit of its life, I would be more concerned about getting all the old coolant out, or if it looked dirty when I drained it, but mine has always come out clean.
Shop Manual says if the drained coolant is clean, you don't have to flush. I have drained my 1998 twice, based on 5 years (only 118,000 miles) and it was clean both times.
I usually get a little over 8 quarts of the 12 quarts out, so I don't worry about flushing the block.
I also never let Dexcool stay in the car over 2-3 years instead of the 5 years that GM claims it should last. If I were pushing the coolant to the limit of its life, I would be more concerned about getting all the old coolant out, or if it looked dirty when I drained it, but mine has always come out clean.
I just drained mine a few weeks ago, and then changed the thermostat. Between the draining of the radiator, and changing the thermostat, I got 9-10 qts.
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Originally Posted by Oldvetter
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Be sure to "turn on" heater so it can drain.
Unnecessary. There is no "heater control valve" as in the old systems. Coolant constantly circulates through the heater core at all times, whether the heater position is selected or not.
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All I could find at the parts store and Walmart today was 50/50 premix. None of it Dexcool but all the brands claimed compatible with whatever color you had. Why can't I just use the green Prestone 50/50?
GM doesn't recommend it for aluminum engines. You also have just a 2 year life cycle Vs 5. Prestone makes an orange Dexcool spec compliant coolant. You don't have to buy it at Walmart. Autozone or Advanced Auto carry the good stuff as well.
From your Owner's Manual:
A 50/50 mixture of clean, drinkable water and DEX-COOL® coolant will:
Give freezing protection down to -34°F (-37°C).
Give boiling protection up to 265°F (129°C).
Protect against rust and corrosion.
Help keep the proper engine temperature.
Let the warning lights and gages work as they should.
Notice
Using coolant other than DEX-COOL may cause premature engine, heater core or radiator corrosion. In addition, the engine coolant may require changing sooner, at 30,000 miles (50 000 km) or 24 months, whichever occurs first. Any repairs would not be covered by your warranty. Always use DEX-COOL (silicate-free) coolant in your vehicle.
Bill
Last edited by Bill Dearborn; Mar 23, 2009 at 01:50 AM.
Out local Wal Marts have it on straight formula. Prestone is the only one I can find now though (Dexcool) as Texaco went out some time back.
As for losing is protection capability, I thought there was a resistance check you could make. Not sure if you can find it through search which doesn't seem to be working correctly.
All I could find at the parts store and Walmart today was 50/50 premix. None of it Dexcool but all the brands claimed compatible with whatever color you had. Why can't I just use the green Prestone 50/50?
The green and Dexcool are not really compatible, plus Dexcool does some things better, like lubricate the water pump.
Texaco was the original manufacturer, but I heard that they were moving their manufacturing out of the United States, so a lot of companies, including Walmart, quit stocking the brand. Prestone is now an approved supplier, and our local store carries both the concentrated and 50/50 mix. The mix costs the same per gallon, but you are paying for half of it to be water.
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Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
........Prestone is now an approved supplier, and our local store carries both the concentrated and 50/50 mix. The mix costs the same per gallon, but you are paying for half of it to be water.
The 50/50 is a "paying for convenience" situation, not to mention (very unspoken by the manufacturer of course) the HUGE profit they make selling a little anti-freeze and some water. It's that very large profit margin driving all the many companies now jumping on the bandwagon with THEIR version of 50/50. That stuff is everywhere now.
I guess I'm enough of a tightwad to still buy the full-strength and dilute with distilled water, not to mention I have control over the mixture concentration if I want.
I guess I'm enough of a tightwad to still buy the full-strength and dilute with distilled water, not to mention I have control over the mixture concentration if I want. [/QUOTE]
Speeking of mixture, in warmer climates, are most of you guys sticking with 50/50 ? I'm in Georgia and went 55 water and 45 dexcool with a bottle of water wetter. I know I could have gone higher on the water based on temperatures here, but I was chicken to go too far from the standard.
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........I guess I'm enough of a tightwad to still buy the full-strength and dilute with distilled water, not to mention I have control over the mixture concentration if I want.
Originally Posted by AJ Powers
Speeking of mixture, in warmer climates, are most of you guys sticking with 50/50 ? I'm in Georgia and went 55 water and 45 dexcool with a bottle of water wetter. I know I could have gone higher on the water based on temperatures here, but I was chicken to go too far from the standard.
I use approx 35/65 Dex/distilled water mix year 'round here in southern TX with a bottle of Water Wetter. As I'm sure you know, water cools more effectively than Dex plus Water Wetter is more effective with water than with glycol. I keep an eye out for any unusual or out of the ordinary temp drops in winter weather and act accordingly. A 35/65 mix gives a freeze temp protection of approx. 0 degrees to 5 degrees F and a 250-255 degree F boil protection (with an 18lb cap).
Sounds like you're in good shape there in GA, but it never hurts to pay attention to the weather reports each winter.
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I'm still hunting the full strength dex. Autozone and Advance only have the 50/50. Tomorrow I'll hit the little guys like NAPA and Central. I fully agree on the rip off charging for water. I live in Florida and maybe see 20 degrees once every 10 years or so. I could water down the 50/50 but I don't like getting screwed, wait I mean I don't like getting ripped off.
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Originally Posted by Camjamsdad
I'm still hunting the full strength dex. Autozone and Advance only have the 50/50. Tomorrow I'll hit the little guys like NAPA and Central. I fully agree on the rip off charging for water. I live in Florida and maybe see 20 degrees once every 10 years or so. I could water down the 50/50 but I don't like getting screwed, wait I mean I don't like getting ripped off.
Look for the Prestone version. They offer the Dex formula now. It's in the silver 1 gal container with the orange cap.
All I could find at the parts store and Walmart today was 50/50 premix. None of it Dexcool but all the brands claimed compatible with whatever color you had. Why can't I just use the green Prestone 50/50?
Never mix the "green" (ethylene glycol) antifreeze with Dex-Cool or any specific red long-life coolants. The two are not compatible and will turn to a murky brown mix that will clog the radiator and cause all sorts of problems. There are coolant on the market that are supposed to be universal or will mix with either type, but IMHO, it's easier and safer to get the correct coolant that's required for the car.
Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
The green and Dexcool are not really compatible, plus Dexcool does some things better, like lubricate the water pump.
Texaco was the original manufacturer, but I heard that they were moving their manufacturing out of the United States, so a lot of companies, including Walmart, quit stocking the brand. Prestone is now an approved supplier, and our local store carries both the concentrated and 50/50 mix. The mix costs the same per gallon, but you are paying for half of it to be water.
The "original" retail version of Dex-Cool was a Texaco product and the bottles typically said "Havoline" which is Texaco's brand name for their coolant and oils. The local Shucks/Kragen's still has some in stock, but as mentioned, Wally World has the Prestone version which is good stuff. The sad part is that at W-W, the concentrate is a buck cheaper than the 50-50 mix stuff. It's too easy to mix the concentrate and what you don't use, simply store somewhere in case you need a small quantity.