Service Traciton Control Soon - Code C1288
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Service Traciton Control Soon - Code C1288
*UPDATE* dealership said ECBM, bought and installed one - didnt work.. see latest post below.. need your thoughts!
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The car through a Code 1288 the other day, I cleared it and it came back a short time later.. seems only to happen when going in reverse and turning at the same time..
checked and cleaned all the grounds (G108, G103, etc.) and replaced the battery (indecently the only one went dead quickly after the code was first set).
I read in the service manuals and on the forum about the SWPS (lots of good advice here) and figured I would just have the dealer do it since its a bit of a hassle to get to..
Dealer called back and is saying its the ECBM!!
so this dosent happen all the time.. and only under specific condition (reversing with the front wheels turned). no other codes set except C1288H.. its been cleared and reset a few times now.. Its most notable early in the morning first backing out of the driveway on the way to work..
Tested the ABS and traction control last night and everything seem ok.. Seems I would think the ECBM would set more codes than just this one..
what do you think!??! is it time to set it to absfixers.com?!??!
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The car through a Code 1288 the other day, I cleared it and it came back a short time later.. seems only to happen when going in reverse and turning at the same time..
checked and cleaned all the grounds (G108, G103, etc.) and replaced the battery (indecently the only one went dead quickly after the code was first set).
I read in the service manuals and on the forum about the SWPS (lots of good advice here) and figured I would just have the dealer do it since its a bit of a hassle to get to..
Dealer called back and is saying its the ECBM!!
so this dosent happen all the time.. and only under specific condition (reversing with the front wheels turned). no other codes set except C1288H.. its been cleared and reset a few times now.. Its most notable early in the morning first backing out of the driveway on the way to work..
Tested the ABS and traction control last night and everything seem ok.. Seems I would think the ECBM would set more codes than just this one..
what do you think!??! is it time to set it to absfixers.com?!??!
Last edited by Z06_BluByU; Mar 28, 2009 at 03:33 PM.
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ABSfixers can't help you with that code. They replace the EBCM relay that causes the C1214 code. The relay is a different part of the module. The diagnostic procedure for that code could lead you to a faulty EBCM. If the dealer tech ran the full diagnostic procedure he should have been able to eliminate the SWPS as the cause of the code. Your choice is to get one from Gene Culley and do the repair yourself or have the dealer do it. With Gene you get the standard GM parts warranty but with the dealer you get that plus a warranty on their labor. Going with Gene will definitely be cheaper.
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The car through a Code 1288 the other day, I cleared it and it came back a short time later.. seems only to happen when going in reverse and turning at the same time..
checked and cleaned all the grounds (G108, G103, etc.) and replaced the battery (indecently the only one went dead quickly after the code was first set).
I read in the service manuals and on the forum about the SWPS (lots of good advice here) and figured I would just have the dealer do it since its a bit of a hassle to get to..
Dealer called back and is saying its the ECBM!!
so this dosent happen all the time.. and only under specific condition (reversing with the front wheels turned). no other codes set except C1288H.. its been cleared and reset a few times now.. Its most notable early in the morning first backing out of the driveway on the way to work..
Tested the ABS and traction control last night and everything seem ok.. Seems I would think the ECBM would set more codes than just this one..
what do you think!??! is it time to set it to absfixers.com?!??!
checked and cleaned all the grounds (G108, G103, etc.) and replaced the battery (indecently the only one went dead quickly after the code was first set).
I read in the service manuals and on the forum about the SWPS (lots of good advice here) and figured I would just have the dealer do it since its a bit of a hassle to get to..
Dealer called back and is saying its the ECBM!!
so this dosent happen all the time.. and only under specific condition (reversing with the front wheels turned). no other codes set except C1288H.. its been cleared and reset a few times now.. Its most notable early in the morning first backing out of the driveway on the way to work..
Tested the ABS and traction control last night and everything seem ok.. Seems I would think the ECBM would set more codes than just this one..
what do you think!??! is it time to set it to absfixers.com?!??!
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They did the full diagnostic using the Tech II. Said they first thought it was the SWPS but the diagnostic procedure flow chart indicated ECBM. DAMIT! $1890 bucks!!!
Cant I get one of the refurbished ECBM's from absfixers for $300 or so!??! Or is this not a good idea?
thinking maybe just get a new one and have them do it.. DAMIT!!
Cant I get one of the refurbished ECBM's from absfixers for $300 or so!??! Or is this not a good idea?
thinking maybe just get a new one and have them do it.. DAMIT!!
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They did the full diagnostic using the Tech II. Said they first thought it was the SWPS but the diagnostic procedure flow chart indicated ECBM. DAMIT! $1890 bucks!!!
Cant I get one of the refurbished ECBM's from absfixers for $300 or so!??! Or is this not a good idea?
thinking maybe just get a new one and have them do it.. DAMIT!!
Cant I get one of the refurbished ECBM's from absfixers for $300 or so!??! Or is this not a good idea?
thinking maybe just get a new one and have them do it.. DAMIT!!
Last edited by lucky131969; Mar 23, 2009 at 04:02 PM.
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As I said in my previous post ABSfixers will not be able to help. This is not a repair they can make. From Gene's web site the module for model years 01-04 will run about $700. Not sure what year car you have so I chose the latest.
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I have an '02 Z06. I saw on absfixers site they sell remanufactuered units for $300?
http://www.absfixer.com/catalog/prod...km6fovrds03q65
That would work wouldn't it?
Anyways, I went outside and disconnected the harness from the ECBM and blew out the connection and the plug with compressed air (little sand around that area I wanted out). Put it back in and made sure I seated it really good. Also, took the MAxi-fuses out and hit them with the wire wheel till they shined to make sure I had a good connection (20 amp max (53) and 40 amp maxi (52) - I may have those fues numbers backwards but you get the point.. also there was a little 10 amp fuse i cleaned up (underhood fuse #5). Also, disconnected the SWPS plug and blew that out along with around teh collar of the wheel (throwing darts here hoping something works). Also, checking all the wiring around the ECBM harness.. didnt notice anything cut, pinched or other.. anyways..
I know i'm looking at an ECBM.. just gotta find the cheapest place I can find one.. so far i've heard gene.. $700.. how is the costs on his shipping!??! any other places? any other ideas?
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Bill,
I have an '02 Z06. I saw on absfixers site they sell remanufactuered units for $300?
http://www.absfixer.com/catalog/prod...km6fovrds03q65
That would work wouldn't it?
I have an '02 Z06. I saw on absfixers site they sell remanufactuered units for $300?
http://www.absfixer.com/catalog/prod...km6fovrds03q65
That would work wouldn't it?
ABS, Traction, Brake and Active Handling indicators illuminated on dash
Codes C1214,C1215,C1216,C1217,C1218".
Other than touching up some solder joints I doubt he can do much more unless he has access to a supply of replacement solid state electronic components for the module. Since Delphi probably considers those components proprietary and has confidentiality agreements in place with its suppliers I doubt he can get them. A relay is simple since you can see it and decide what you need to do to replace it. Solid state components sort of all look the same and unless you know the manufacturer of the component and the correct part number reference you just can't go out and buy them someplace.
If he was able to remanufacture the module he would still need to test it to make sure it worked properly. Otherwise he would be sending stuff out and getting it back on a reqular basis. Delphi probably holds the test procedure/equipment design pretty close to the vest so other people can't horn in on their business.
Bill
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I went to ABSFixer's site but he doesn't give any information on what he does to remanufacture the modules. With his module repair he clearly states " Typical failures with these modules that ABSFixer addresses are:
ABS, Traction, Brake and Active Handling indicators illuminated on dash
Codes C1214,C1215,C1216,C1217,C1218".
Other than touching up some solder joints I doubt he can do much more unless he has access to a supply of replacement solid state electronic components for the module. Since Delphi probably considers those components proprietary and has confidentiality agreements in place with its suppliers I doubt he can get them. A relay is simple since you can see it and decide what you need to do to replace it. Solid state components sort of all look the same and unless you know the manufacturer of the component and the correct part number reference you just can't go out and buy them someplace.
If he was able to remanufacture the module he would still need to test it to make sure it worked properly. Otherwise he would be sending stuff out and getting it back on a reqular basis. Delphi probably holds the test procedure/equipment design pretty close to the vest so other people can't horn in on their business.
Bill
ABS, Traction, Brake and Active Handling indicators illuminated on dash
Codes C1214,C1215,C1216,C1217,C1218".
Other than touching up some solder joints I doubt he can do much more unless he has access to a supply of replacement solid state electronic components for the module. Since Delphi probably considers those components proprietary and has confidentiality agreements in place with its suppliers I doubt he can get them. A relay is simple since you can see it and decide what you need to do to replace it. Solid state components sort of all look the same and unless you know the manufacturer of the component and the correct part number reference you just can't go out and buy them someplace.
If he was able to remanufacture the module he would still need to test it to make sure it worked properly. Otherwise he would be sending stuff out and getting it back on a reqular basis. Delphi probably holds the test procedure/equipment design pretty close to the vest so other people can't horn in on their business.
Bill
anyways, looks like gmpartsdirect.com wants 761.00 which includes $124 S&H!! Are there any other options you recommend? I guess $761 is better than +/- $2k!
How big of a job is it?!?!? is it a simple un plug the harness, unbolt the module, bolt the new one up and plug the harness back in type thing?!?!
BTW: all my littel tinkering earlier yielded no results.. the sensor set off again on the way to blockbuster (while I was testing the traction control).. oh well.. damn!
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found one... thepartsladi.. The guys in the C4 section love her.. $700 bucks.... cna someone verify the part number for me?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-02...91210009r29829
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-02...91210009r29829
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here ya go...
[QUOTE=Z06_BluByU;1569414964]found one... thepartsladi.. The guys in the C4 section love her.. $700 bucks.... cna someone verify the part number for me?
New EBCM’s … below is the part #. Check with
Fred Beans also for actual price & availability ($650 to $1000)
Part Number: 12216561 All 2001-2002
now here is how you do it:
. The procedure for replacing the EBCM is very simple. The only special tool you need is a T-20 Torx screwdriver.
I have a Craftsman tool set that has a 1/4" drive screwdriver with and adapter for many different size bit. Unfortunately, the adapter was too long to fit between the EBCM and water pump, so I purchased a set of Craftsman 5 pc. Torx screwdriver set that worked fine. A flathead screwdriver may also be needed to pry apart the EBCM from the BPMV
1 - make sure the car is off.
2 - You will probably need to remove the air bridge to get to the EBCM.
3 - Remove the wire harness by first removing the white plastic clip that locks it in place (I cut it off and replaced it with a zip-tie) , then lift gray handle and pull back on the wire harness At this point, you will be able to see the second wire connection that is removed by pulling down EBCM.
The EBCM is on the left with the large wire harness coming into it and the sticker on top. The Brake Pressure Modulator Valve (BPMV) in on the right with the brake lines coming out.
4 - The service manual calls for you the remove the 2 insulator nuts that hold the BPMV to the brackets and lift the EBCM/BPMV out of the bracket. I do not think this step is necessary because there is plenty of room while it is still in the bracket and you do not gain much additional clearance since the brake lines restricts the movement.
5 - Remove the 6 T-20 Torx screws connecting the EBCM and BPMV - 1 on each corner and 2 on the sides
6 - "Separate the EBCM from the BPMV by gently pulling apart until separated" - I should start laughing here, but it's not that funny. It's been my experience that anytime the instructions call for you to do something gently, nothing gentle is going to work. In this case, I had to use a flathead screwdriver to break the seal. Once it moved a little, the rest was easy. In addition to the rubber seal, each of the 12 holes you see in has a peg in them from the BPMV. Don't go crazy, but be prepared to force them apart.
7 - At this point, all you've got to do is put it all back together. Push the new EBCM onto the BPMV.
8 - Replace the 6 T-20 torx screws
9 - Reconnect the wire harness
10 - Put the intake back on
New EBCM’s … below is the part #. Check with
Fred Beans also for actual price & availability ($650 to $1000)
Part Number: 12216561 All 2001-2002
now here is how you do it:
. The procedure for replacing the EBCM is very simple. The only special tool you need is a T-20 Torx screwdriver.
I have a Craftsman tool set that has a 1/4" drive screwdriver with and adapter for many different size bit. Unfortunately, the adapter was too long to fit between the EBCM and water pump, so I purchased a set of Craftsman 5 pc. Torx screwdriver set that worked fine. A flathead screwdriver may also be needed to pry apart the EBCM from the BPMV
1 - make sure the car is off.
2 - You will probably need to remove the air bridge to get to the EBCM.
3 - Remove the wire harness by first removing the white plastic clip that locks it in place (I cut it off and replaced it with a zip-tie) , then lift gray handle and pull back on the wire harness At this point, you will be able to see the second wire connection that is removed by pulling down EBCM.
The EBCM is on the left with the large wire harness coming into it and the sticker on top. The Brake Pressure Modulator Valve (BPMV) in on the right with the brake lines coming out.
4 - The service manual calls for you the remove the 2 insulator nuts that hold the BPMV to the brackets and lift the EBCM/BPMV out of the bracket. I do not think this step is necessary because there is plenty of room while it is still in the bracket and you do not gain much additional clearance since the brake lines restricts the movement.
5 - Remove the 6 T-20 Torx screws connecting the EBCM and BPMV - 1 on each corner and 2 on the sides
6 - "Separate the EBCM from the BPMV by gently pulling apart until separated" - I should start laughing here, but it's not that funny. It's been my experience that anytime the instructions call for you to do something gently, nothing gentle is going to work. In this case, I had to use a flathead screwdriver to break the seal. Once it moved a little, the rest was easy. In addition to the rubber seal, each of the 12 holes you see in has a peg in them from the BPMV. Don't go crazy, but be prepared to force them apart.
7 - At this point, all you've got to do is put it all back together. Push the new EBCM onto the BPMV.
8 - Replace the 6 T-20 torx screws
9 - Reconnect the wire harness
10 - Put the intake back on
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It looks like the refurb units are clean sale (not a repair of your unit). So there is a chance it might work.. but I see where you are going..
anyways, looks like gmpartsdirect.com wants 761.00 which includes $124 S&H!! Are there any other options you recommend? I guess $761 is better than +/- $2k!
How big of a job is it?!?!? is it a simple un plug the harness, unbolt the module, bolt the new one up and plug the harness back in type thing?!?!
anyways, looks like gmpartsdirect.com wants 761.00 which includes $124 S&H!! Are there any other options you recommend? I guess $761 is better than +/- $2k!
How big of a job is it?!?!? is it a simple un plug the harness, unbolt the module, bolt the new one up and plug the harness back in type thing?!?!
Bill
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looks like $893 do I have the right part here?http://www.gmpartshouseusa.com/shopp...6catalogid%3D1
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This is what I have from Gene's site:
When I originally looked up the price I automatically used the 03 model year since my car is an 03. Funny thing is Gene's site shows the 03-04 module as $695.
The site shows Gene's phone number so it would be best to talk to him about actual cost (in case there is a site error) and shipping costs.
Gene used to work for Fred Beans so he will probably match or beat their price.
Bill
When I originally looked up the price I automatically used the 03 model year since my car is an 03. Funny thing is Gene's site shows the 03-04 module as $695.
The site shows Gene's phone number so it would be best to talk to him about actual cost (in case there is a site error) and shipping costs.
Gene used to work for Fred Beans so he will probably match or beat their price.
Bill
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This is what I have from Gene's site:
When I originally looked up the price I automatically used the 03 model year since my car is an 03. Funny thing is Gene's site shows the 03-04 module as $695.
The site shows Gene's phone number so it would be best to talk to him about actual cost (in case there is a site error) and shipping costs.
Gene used to work for Fred Beans so he will probably match or beat their price.
Bill
When I originally looked up the price I automatically used the 03 model year since my car is an 03. Funny thing is Gene's site shows the 03-04 module as $695.
The site shows Gene's phone number so it would be best to talk to him about actual cost (in case there is a site error) and shipping costs.
Gene used to work for Fred Beans so he will probably match or beat their price.
Bill
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Update:
So I got a new ECBM +/- $800. Installed it, reset the codes, pulled out of the driveway and bango the same codes came back C1288 and later C1287 MOTHER F#$#$ER!!
Disconnected the battery for 10 mion or so reconnected, reset the codes.. pulled out of the driveway.. bam set the codes again!~! DAMIT!!
went for a ride few miles.. reset the codes turned the car back on.. moved 10 yards or so.. BAMO Codes reset!! DAMIT DAMIT DAMIT!! looks like the dealership misdiagnosed the problem...
Now What?!?!? back to the dealership?!?! DAMIT!
So I got a new ECBM +/- $800. Installed it, reset the codes, pulled out of the driveway and bango the same codes came back C1288 and later C1287 MOTHER F#$#$ER!!
Disconnected the battery for 10 mion or so reconnected, reset the codes.. pulled out of the driveway.. bam set the codes again!~! DAMIT!!
went for a ride few miles.. reset the codes turned the car back on.. moved 10 yards or so.. BAMO Codes reset!! DAMIT DAMIT DAMIT!! looks like the dealership misdiagnosed the problem...
Now What?!?!? back to the dealership?!?! DAMIT!