Pull key wait 10 seconds
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From: Larkspur Colorado
Pull key wait 10 seconds
Hey guys, I keep getting the pull key wait 10 seconds message after the car sits for 1 to 2 weeks. If I do what it says, it works fine no problems until the next week after it sits. I have a 2001 M6 coupe. Unfortunately all the GM fixes for the Column lock have been done. I purchased the car from a GM dealership in Oct 2007. The car only has 26000 miles. I saw a thread a month or so back from Bill Curlee that gave directions on how to check the key pellet and then the "can" that reads the key pellet. I pulled everything apart today, and it all checks out fine. Any ideas? Am I getting warnings of the CLB issue? Any help would be appreciated.........................Than ks, Dave
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That is VERY similar to how it started for me. Cleaned the pellets ,checked the battery,,,still got the 10 second message on random occasions. Was not all that concerned( I did have a CLB,but had not installed yet),,after all it had been in for two recall fixes,,and the wheel turned when key was out. Well it got me anyhow,, THE FUEL CUTOFF that was programmed in during one of the recalls kicked in when the K-harness failed!!! I HIGHLY recommend removing the K-harness and installing a CLB!!!
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Thanks for the responses. I'll order my CLB today. 8VETTE7, I have a brand new battery (3 months old) and I have it connected to a Battery Tender, do you think I could still have a battery problem? It's just a standard battery, Exide I think, nothing special.
I'll do the CLB and post the results............................Dave
I'll do the CLB and post the results............................Dave
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St. Jude Donor '21
I highly doubt its your battery....I WOULD install a CLB, but I dont think your issue has anything to do with column lock.
Here's some reading for you:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...ross-eyed.html
I started this thread way back...and with every's input, I STILL get this message every single day....I am convinced the only "fix" is trading the car in for a C6....
Here's some reading for you:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...ross-eyed.html
I started this thread way back...and with every's input, I STILL get this message every single day....I am convinced the only "fix" is trading the car in for a C6....
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This happens to me when I leave the keys in the ignition and some how screw up the security sequence. Might be you and not the car
Trying to help I might not be the only dumb one out here. If right it is the easiest fix. best of Luck
Trying to help I might not be the only dumb one out here. If right it is the easiest fix. best of Luck
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From: Larkspur Colorado
8VETTE7 I will test the voltage next time I get the message. I'm buried in snow again here, so won't be driving for a while. Ordered the CLB from CoH today. I will install it and watch what happens. Thanks for all the help.
SEE3ER - I read your thread.....very frustrating! When you had the ignition switch out did you test the voltage with the key in and out like Bill Curlee recommended? I did this and it tested exactly the same as the key pellet. Incidentally, my key is also a #15 (11.74kv) resistance. Wonder what key #'s others have with the Pull Key issue?
If anyone reads this chime in.....maybe it has to do the this key resistance? Who know..........Dave
SEE3ER - I read your thread.....very frustrating! When you had the ignition switch out did you test the voltage with the key in and out like Bill Curlee recommended? I did this and it tested exactly the same as the key pellet. Incidentally, my key is also a #15 (11.74kv) resistance. Wonder what key #'s others have with the Pull Key issue?
If anyone reads this chime in.....maybe it has to do the this key resistance? Who know..........Dave
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From: Larkspur Colorado
aleadfoot - I thought the same thing at first. So I have intentially made sure I was insterting the key carefully and not being clumsy. I always wait for the gauges to sweep before I turn the ignition over.
Still get the message intermittently...........Oh well CLB is my next step.
Still get the message intermittently...........Oh well CLB is my next step.
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St. Jude Donor '21
I have no idea what you are talking about?????
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From: Conn.
St. Jude Donor '21
8VETTE7 I will test the voltage next time I get the message. I'm buried in snow again here, so won't be driving for a while. Ordered the CLB from CoH today. I will install it and watch what happens. Thanks for all the help.
SEE3ER - I read your thread.....very frustrating! When you had the ignition switch out did you test the voltage with the key in and out like Bill Curlee recommended? I did this and it tested exactly the same as the key pellet. Incidentally, my key is also a #15 (11.74kv) resistance. Wonder what key #'s others have with the Pull Key issue?
If anyone reads this chime in.....maybe it has to do the this key resistance? Who know..........Dave
SEE3ER - I read your thread.....very frustrating! When you had the ignition switch out did you test the voltage with the key in and out like Bill Curlee recommended? I did this and it tested exactly the same as the key pellet. Incidentally, my key is also a #15 (11.74kv) resistance. Wonder what key #'s others have with the Pull Key issue?
If anyone reads this chime in.....maybe it has to do the this key resistance? Who know..........Dave
Forgive my negativity....I've run out of patience
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Sorry SEE3ER I read your resistance as 11.8 not 1.8. I thought I was onto something if we were both having problems with the same resistance keys. I guess I was just trying too hard.......Don't worry about the negativity, electrical issues can put anyone on tilt. Hang in there, the prices on C6 Z06's are coming way down 
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St. Jude Donor '21
Sorry SEE3ER I read your resistance as 11.8 not 1.8. I thought I was onto something if we were both having problems with the same resistance keys. I guess I was just trying too hard.......Don't worry about the negativity, electrical issues can put anyone on tilt. Hang in there, the prices on C6 Z06's are coming way down .
.Time for the ohm meter AGAIN!
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VATS Bypass
There are 4 very small contact wires in the switch that "read" the pellet. Look just like "Cats Whiskers" I have seen where one of the 4 wires breaks off or is so bent out of position that it does not make contact. If you remove the key and reinsert it sometimes works fine. Very intermittent until the other contact wire breaks then it quits working completely. Then it is new ignition switch time or do the VATS bypass...
http://www.c5help.com/bypass_vat.htm for details on the bypass with pics....
http://www.c5help.com/bypass_vat.htm for details on the bypass with pics....
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St. Jude Donor '21
There are 4 very small contact wires in the switch that "read" the pellet. Look just like "Cats Whiskers" I have seen where one of the 4 wires breaks off or is so bent out of position that it does not make contact. If you remove the key and reinsert it sometimes works fine. Very intermittent until the other contact wire breaks then it quits working completely. Then it is new ignition switch time or do the VATS bypass...
http://www.c5help.com/bypass_vat.htm for details on the bypass with pics....
http://www.c5help.com/bypass_vat.htm for details on the bypass with pics....
PS: I've had the resistor soldered in and made no difference.
Last edited by SEE3ER; Apr 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM.
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Mine did this 3 times before the column locked up. Luckily by jerking it side to side I got it to release and I didn't drive it again until I got the CLB mod. Got it, installed in about 15 mins and it hasn't done it since.
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On the early year cars the CLB could actually cause pull key messages, but like your problem - If you pulled the key and then tried again, it worked fine. The only suggestions I would have is to make sure your grounds are all clean and tight, and I know some people have installed additional wires between the battery and some ground points to ensure a good ground circuit - I wonder if that would help pull key messages too.
