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Old 04-17-2009, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ikester
Well said... besides, lets say the OP decided to just throw it it because member X said it will be fine. Then after one run down the street, each piston ends up smacking a valve and the motor is toast.

Do you think member X will take responsibility? No, hes just going to say, "oh snap, really?"

Good move on checking PTV, one of the most neglected tasks on a H/C install.
Yeah, and it was fine everywhere except 10 degrees ATDC. I guess you should always check closely in the area of about 25 degrees each way around TDC.
Old 04-19-2009, 09:22 AM
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Just to update this thread....donor head for flycutting didn't arrive so we are on hold till next weekend!
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Donor TFS head arrived from TEA today..





Donor head with Lindy flycutting tool in valve guide


Old 04-20-2009, 11:07 PM
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Man thanks for sharing all pics and details about your project. GL and wish u best.
Old 04-25-2009, 12:47 PM
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Flycutting in progress....



After cutting 0.080 intake relief - need to sand/cleanup yet!


Old 04-25-2009, 02:54 PM
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That's pretty cool, I see the lower half of the QTP split cover
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Here is the setup in progress



Drivers side done - still want have to do final sanding later!



Passenger side done too!


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Old 04-26-2009, 11:06 PM
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Very cool. I had no idea you could cut your own valve reliefs . Does this weaken the piston in any way ?
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Very cool. I had no idea you could cut your own valve reliefs . Does this weaken the piston in any way ?
It is not a problem if you don't go too deep. I think the stock pistons are .220 thick in that area. Have been told you can go up to .100 safely. remember you are just cutting a relief in a smaller area of the total. I would be more concerned if you were running boost or something!
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why did it cut so chattery? most ive seen looks like it cuts a smoother relief
Old 04-27-2009, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kurtomac
why did it cut so chattery? most ive seen looks like it cuts a smoother relief
I think it's just the nature of that cutter. The few other flycut jobs I've seen pics of (using the Lindy cutter) looked the same way.


The Isky cutter (what I used on mine) looks radically different.



And leaves a cut that looks like this: (the scratches are just from using sandpaper to remove the sharp edge of the cut)




I wish I could have made it over to Verne's this weekend, to see how differently his Lindy cutter worked compared to mine.


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The tool did tend to chatter a bit with my setup...slow turning air ratchet. I think that you have to learn to apply even steady pressure.
With more practice and possibly a higher turning speed it could have possibly been better.

Here is one of the cuts cleaned up a bit.



Once they are cleaned up some I am not sure that it will matter at all - any other opinions?

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Old 04-27-2009, 06:35 PM
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Opinions? Yes, I have personally seen the mod'd LS head Tom used, he has real world experience, don't get confused w/ the waxer 20's

Nice thread, nice work people!!!!
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I have not read through the last 10 or so posts, but I noticed some recomending to use solid lifters to check PTV clearance for a hydrolic setup. This is COMPLETELY wrong. Never use solid lifters to check ptv. There is a certain amount of pre-load stock hydrolic lifters will take, and a solid lifter will not give you an accurate measurement. I am speaking from experience, and almost cost me a motor.

Keep up the good work!!
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Originally Posted by Jackal
I have not read through the last 10 or so posts, but I noticed some recomending to use solid lifters to check PTV clearance for a hydrolic setup. This is COMPLETELY wrong. Never use solid lifters to check ptv. There is a certain amount of pre-load stock hydrolic lifters will take, and a solid lifter will not give you an accurate measurement. I am speaking from experience, and almost cost me a motor.

Keep up the good work!!
With check springs and an adjustable pushrod at zero lash, solid lifters can be used. Not sure I understand.
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Originally Posted by Jackal
I have not read through the last 10 or so posts, but I noticed some recomending to use solid lifters to check PTV clearance for a hydrolic setup. This is COMPLETELY wrong. Never use solid lifters to check ptv. There is a certain amount of pre-load stock hydrolic lifters will take, and a solid lifter will not give you an accurate measurement. I am speaking from experience, and almost cost me a motor.

Keep up the good work!!
I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Using a solid lifter will always give you a "worst case scenario" indicated clearance. It rules out any possibility of lifter compression masking what in reality could be valve travel towards the piston (once pumped up with oil pressure).

Example, checking with a solid lifter, you find you have .060" p/v clearance. Do same check with a hyd lifter in the same manner, and then you see .100" clearance. The lesser of the two readings is the one I'd trust and base decisions from, because the difference in readings likely came from lifter compression.

As we were checking it, we were using very light checking valve springs. Less likely to compress the lifter in the course of checking. The one time we did try checking with a normal valvespring, we got much better indicated clearance, because instead of the valve compressing clay, spring was compressing lifter. That's a bogus measurement, and one we did not trust.

Hope that makes sense.




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