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OK Ponts went out in the 70's. Points are like the computer today but MUCH CHEAPER.
Second "Many times you can still run with a sensor failure" I say Many times you can not.
I have owned several cars with Carbs on them and drove the hell out of them, never had 1 adjusted and only owned 1 car with points.
A carb car can also run fine for 100k with 1 set of plugs, wires cap and rotor.
Now who in the hell now days would throw points back on a car, especially since we been talking about carbing a C5 Corvette.
If you ran points , plugs , condenser ,cap and rotor for 100K and it ran great, you should buy lotto tickets. It seems like it was a tune up every 10k to 15k. If you never tuned a carb , then it was stock. I grew up with carbs,high compression and big cams and I think efi is one of the best things that could happen to an engine. Oh spark plug wires in the 60s with 100k on them---------sure (arking and braking if bent) we have come a long way ,all for the better.
Why you keep talking about points and now throwing in a condenser? Why not throw in a 6V system along with a Hand crank and gravity feed fuel system with carbs you need to adjust with timing when you drive too where the top speed is like 15mph on wooden wheels with no suspension since your at it?
I am talking about the last of the carb cars, none of them had points!
Why you keep talking about points and now throwing in a condenser? Why not throw in a 6V system along with a Hand crank and gravity feed fuel system with carbs you need to adjust with timing when you drive too where the top speed is like 15mph on wooden wheels with no suspension since your at it?
I am talking about the last of the carb cars, none of them had points!
Why you keep talking about points and now throwing in a condenser? Why not throw in a 6V system along with a Hand crank and gravity feed fuel system with carbs you need to adjust with timing when you drive too where the top speed is like 15mph on wooden wheels with no suspension since your at it?
I am talking about the last of the carb cars, none of them had points!
The point is carbs, just like points and all the stuff you mentioned, are outdated technology, they don't belong on a daily driver that needs to be reliable. There isn't a manufacture on the planet that puts a carb on a car that is sold for daily transportation.
Ever buy a new Motorcycle, some still use carbs. Overseas cars still come with carbs on some brands.
So an 80's car with a Carb is now not good for a daily driver? What did everybody use for transportation back then? I never seen a Horse and Buggy growing up in the 70's and 80's, all I saw were daily drivers with carburetors on them!
Originally Posted by ljthe2nd
The point is carbs, just like points and all the stuff you mentioned, are outdated technology, they don't belong on a daily driver that needs to be reliable. There isn't a manufacture on the planet that puts a carb on a car that is sold for daily transportation.
Nobody is saying that you need to trash all the older car out there, but to put outdated technology like a carb on a C5 is a step backwards and makes no sense.
It's the pay-me-now or pay-me-later principle. Most "carb" guys think it's EASIER to do a carb. For a "correct" period car a carb is OK for a summer car. But, in the LONG run-EFI saves money and is WAY more reliable than a carb. Anyone who says they had a carb w/ no tuning in 100K miles is LYING or they happily drive a sputtering gas hog 1/2 the year (or more).
Im not asking about switching to a carb because I want reliability and good fuel mileage in my cammed, lowered, catless C5. BTW, no emissions here in FL. I have had good luck with carbs on the few engines I have had with them. I guess I just bought good carbs and I had them tuned by someone that really knew what they were doing. Not trying to knock anyone. I was just wondering about the feasibility of actually making the switch.
So what does everyone think about the Edelbrock Victor Jr. with an elbow and 90mm TB versus the FAST 90mm and TB? Which would make more useable power with the setup in my sig? Thanks for all the input everyone.
It's the pay-me-now or pay-me-later principle. Most "carb" guys think it's EASIER to do a carb. For a "correct" period car a carb is OK for a summer car. But, in the LONG run-EFI saves money and is WAY more reliable than a carb. Anyone who says they had a carb w/ no tuning in 100K miles is LYING or they happily drive a sputtering gas hog 1/2 the year (or more).
I still have my Grandmothers 87 Carbureted Dodge and it just recently developed it's first carb related issue, lucky I guess. My 68 is still running great, and I do mean great in all seasons, on it's original Holley and it's got, get this, 268,000 miles!
Originally Posted by TurboLs1
Okay, okay...I like the yellow C5 with the carb.
Im not asking about switching to a carb because I want reliability and good fuel mileage in my cammed, lowered, catless C5. BTW, no emissions here in FL. I have had good luck with carbs on the few engines I have had with them. I guess I just bought good carbs and I had them tuned by someone that really knew what they were doing. Not trying to knock anyone. I was just wondering about the feasibility of actually making the switch.
So what does everyone think about the Edelbrock Victor Jr. with an elbow and 90mm TB versus the FAST 90mm and TB? Which would make more useable power with the setup in my sig? Thanks for all the input everyone.
What's the specs on your cam? If it's a whopper, then you might not want a Carburetor. EFI is SO much better for nasty cam shafts, or should I say Carburetors are such a pain in the *** with big nasty cams. The good thing is you're in Florida, and either way you go the tune will stay consistent.
So what does everyone think about the Edelbrock Victor Jr. with an elbow and 90mm TB versus the FAST 90mm and TB? Which would make more useable power with the setup in my sig? Thanks for all the input everyone.
Well, I'd expect the Victor Jr would give up a little on the bottom for more on the top. So, more than likely, you're looking at making a compromise of what you want. If you want all-out HP then the Victor Jr but if you want a wider/lower torque curve that will likely drive better on the street then the FAST.
Originally Posted by nextime
If carbs are so outdated why do they continue to make new ones? Why do people continue to put them on cars that are daily drivers?
Carbs may be outdated technology but it was reliable technology!
Yes, carbs work and are simple. So what? I don't see your point other than to be an *** and stir the pot. The point every one else is making is that a carb is not as streetable as fuel injection - it just works better under all conditions. Fuel injection is easier on the engine - running rich or lean is hard on an engine and a carb would always run rich or lean under certain conditions. The new fuel injection systems are very reliable technology too.
First, thanks to EStreeter for the article. I have done one Ls1 and one Lt1 F-body carb swap. They make good power but arent really wild setups. The problem I have yet to find a solution to with the C5 is how to keep the factory throttle pedal assy with a carb setup. Because of this I am staying with fuel injection, I now just have to decide between the FAST and Edelbrock Victor Jr. manifolds. I think I am going to go with the FAST since the power range (1500-7000 if I remember correctly) is very well matched to my cam. Thanks for the input everyone.
now I feel very old....does this mean I need to get rid of my 4 track player
Hey I had a 4 track tape player in my 60 Falcon, when I tell people I had a 4 track they say "you mean an 8 track", no I had a 4 track with the big hole in the cartridge so when you'd insert the tape into the player and slide the lever forward a wheel would come up into the cartridge and move the tape. Ha Ha.