Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!...
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Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!...
Has anyone else gone this route? I have to have a 4000 stall! :eek: Upgraded Stage II LS6 heads, solid roller cam specs sound massive! I want to know what programming(programmer) would be best-Nick goes with Superchips, but what about PL II, LS1 Edit, the PROgram? I should have it all in about 2 weeks. I look forward to the install and will post dyno #'s and what I get from the G-tech. I need headers, anyone upgrading and ready to sell their aftermarket headers? :crazy:
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (ScreaminDemon)
David:
I doubt many C5'ers have gone the solid roller route yet I've seen from an article in GM High Tech Performance that ARE has done an F body. The power was equivalent to a 383. I am seriously considering upgrading my engine to a solid roller, or may go 427. If you know the cam specs, can you post them?
I doubt many C5'ers have gone the solid roller route yet I've seen from an article in GM High Tech Performance that ARE has done an F body. The power was equivalent to a 383. I am seriously considering upgrading my engine to a solid roller, or may go 427. If you know the cam specs, can you post them?
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (Morpheus)
Ofcourse if I knew all the specs tuners wouldn't make any money! I've got friends that work at Comp Cams! But it's a 600ish/600ish lift, 230ish/240ish 112 lobe.( I had to edit this, with respect to ARE) I read the "Do Me Solid" article in GMHTP mag, I'll probably have it out during the installation! :lol:
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (ScreaminDemon)
Woohooo! This setup should definitely kick some ****!!
I am very anxious to see the results from an agressive solid roller setup!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I am very anxious to see the results from an agressive solid roller setup!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (John Shiels)
John,
The only 'downside' is I will have to adjust the valve lash every so often. Not that big a deal, about a 30 min job once or twice a year, depends on how you use the car.
The only 'downside' is I will have to adjust the valve lash every so often. Not that big a deal, about a 30 min job once or twice a year, depends on how you use the car.
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (MattG)
Woohooo! This setup should definitely kick some ****!!
I am very anxious to see the results from an agressive solid roller setup!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I am very anxious to see the results from an agressive solid roller setup!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (ScreaminDemon)
Hey ScreaminDemon, What is the advantage of the solid roller over a hydraulic roller? Is it streetable, or is it for drag strip only? I remember back in the late 60's the bad boys were running solid rollers but they weren't really streetable. Thanks , Whiteboy
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (whiteboy)
Demon...I hope you aren't planning on running a stick that big on a stock piston. Anything in the mid 230's will hit....and the stock pistons won't take much in the way of fly cutting..fairly thin crown.
Whiteboy, a solid's advantage really rests in ramp rate....being able to accelerate the valve off the seat quickly and accurately. The maintenance issue is not nearly the same with the solids of today...new lifter designs, cam profiles, and valvetrain technology allow us to have the best of both worlds. A lot of people will still shy away from a solid for fear of "adjustments" every time they drive the car....that is strictly an urban legend.
Comp put together an SB2 headed project engine for Scooter's 69 Camaro convertible...probably 2-3 years ago. At that time they were just introducing their newest line of solid lifters designed for "drivers"...called the Endurex series....that car went on the Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour and passed its durability and streetability test with flying colors. Hope that sheds some light on the solid/hydraulic debate for you.
Whiteboy, a solid's advantage really rests in ramp rate....being able to accelerate the valve off the seat quickly and accurately. The maintenance issue is not nearly the same with the solids of today...new lifter designs, cam profiles, and valvetrain technology allow us to have the best of both worlds. A lot of people will still shy away from a solid for fear of "adjustments" every time they drive the car....that is strictly an urban legend.
Comp put together an SB2 headed project engine for Scooter's 69 Camaro convertible...probably 2-3 years ago. At that time they were just introducing their newest line of solid lifters designed for "drivers"...called the Endurex series....that car went on the Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour and passed its durability and streetability test with flying colors. Hope that sheds some light on the solid/hydraulic debate for you.
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (95vettski)
95vettski-I love those LG's, but I can't justify the hp for the price. I am shopping headers and I'll most likely do LS6 TPIS's. The savings is better spent on hp elsewhere.
whiteboy-A solid roller cam is much more aggressive because the lobes are flatter, opening the valves much sooner than a hydraulic cam. My buddy runs one in a stroker 93' vette, he's advising me and going to help with the install, so I'm going all out! he say's they are not like they used to be and all I have to do is adjust the valve lash a few times a year. My computer goes in the shop tomorrow but I'll be back here with more input on my project. I'll title it "A.R.E. Project Solid Screamer" :crazy:
whiteboy-A solid roller cam is much more aggressive because the lobes are flatter, opening the valves much sooner than a hydraulic cam. My buddy runs one in a stroker 93' vette, he's advising me and going to help with the install, so I'm going all out! he say's they are not like they used to be and all I have to do is adjust the valve lash a few times a year. My computer goes in the shop tomorrow but I'll be back here with more input on my project. I'll title it "A.R.E. Project Solid Screamer" :crazy:
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (ScreaminDemon)
Quote>> I am shopping headers and I'll most likely do LS6 TPIS's. The savings is better spent on hp elsewhere. <<Quote
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (LG Motorsports)
come on Lou, no flames. Your headers are awsome, but maximum motors need those maximum headers. Plus it's not in my budget(maybe I'm just trying to justify that) :cry
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (6Speeder)
there would be a expansion problem because the expansion of a all aluminum block and heads would be about .010 so that means the cold lash would be .010 tighter than hot lash. the cam timing would change a lot over the warm up period. i can see this would not be a problem for a race car but for a street driven car i would think you would get tired of waiting till the engine was up to max temp before driving the car. i just went through a change over from a solid roller to a hyd roller in a 510 ci 700 hp blower engine and lost less that 10 hp. JMHO :chevy
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Re: Just Ordered; ARE solid roller H/C!!!... (ScreaminDemon)
There's a lurker on this forum that's a mechanical engineer. Not just a guy who says that but the real thing. And he's been building go fast cars the right way for the last 25 years. I'm talking wheelies on street tires...
I can tell you what he would say, because I know he won't bother. He'll read this post and grin. he would tell you not to do such a thing if your running on the street. And he'd be exactly right. Guys with less cam and less stall will be passing you.
If you want to put this thing on a trailer, then super deal; Go ahead. But if you've got to run street gears and exhaust, then you'd be a victim of something called "cam fever."
I know, I've got it too. I run a big block, and I'm pulling out the 3000 RPM stall converter and the 0.590" lift 242 degree at 0.050" cam. It worked well, but losing ten degrees and a thousand RPM in the stall works better on the street.
I can tell you what he would say, because I know he won't bother. He'll read this post and grin. he would tell you not to do such a thing if your running on the street. And he'd be exactly right. Guys with less cam and less stall will be passing you.
If you want to put this thing on a trailer, then super deal; Go ahead. But if you've got to run street gears and exhaust, then you'd be a victim of something called "cam fever."
I know, I've got it too. I run a big block, and I'm pulling out the 3000 RPM stall converter and the 0.590" lift 242 degree at 0.050" cam. It worked well, but losing ten degrees and a thousand RPM in the stall works better on the street.