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Old May 8, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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Filled up the tank at chevron and almost immediately started smelling gasoline. Opened the tank and there was a LOT of pressure. I let the pressure out slowly and replaced the cap. 30 minutes later I opened the fuel door again and fuel SPEWED OUT. The problem keeps repeating. What could cause this very rapid pressure build up in the tank?
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HEAT is one possibility. so don't fill your fuel tank to full.
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Doje, Check the return to the tank. I've seen instances where the pressure side of the system had a small air leak and that small amount of air, when it is returned to the tank, will pressurize the system as you are describing. Sounds crazy, but we use a return line from the fuel control cell to the tank and have had this happen twice.
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Canister purge solenoid may be sticking closed, it vents the fuel vapor into the intake to be burnt during combustion, so it doesn't vent to the atmosphere. Ran into it on a few different chevys and a lot of them use the same solenoid. Its located under the driver fuel rail cover.

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Originally Posted by doje
Filled up the tank at chevron and almost immediately started smelling gasoline. Opened the tank and there was a LOT of pressure. I let the pressure out slowly and replaced the cap. 30 minutes later I opened the fuel door again and fuel SPEWED OUT. The problem keeps repeating. What could cause this very rapid pressure build up in the tank?
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Originally Posted by backnblack2003z06
Canister purge solenoid may be sticking closed, it vents the fuel vapor into the intake to be burnt during combustion, so it doesn't vent to the atmosphere. Ran into it on a few different chevys and a lot of them use the same solenoid. Its located under the driver fuel rail cover.
Not that. Already checked and working.

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Alcohol oxygenated gas (winter gas)? Butane sometimes added to increase pressure? Try another brand? If problem passes in the summer youi'll know what's up.
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Alcohol oxygenated gas (winter gas)? Butane sometimes added to increase pressure? Try another brand? If problem passes in the summer youi'll know what's up.
We are talking an incredibly strong gas smell and visual vapors coming from the fuel fill pipe. Not to mention enough pressure that it takes over 3 minutes to release before I can open the tank. I have no plans of waiting till summer to see what happens.
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Originally Posted by doje
We are talking an incredibly strong gas smell and visual vapors coming from the fuel fill pipe. Not to mention enough pressure that it takes over 3 minutes to release before I can open the tank. I have no plans of waiting till summer to see what happens.
Ok, so why not check out the fuel tank vent valve? It's supposed to relieve the pressure in the tank above 1 psi(I believe). Might be worth a look.
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I don't know if this will help or not, but it's worth reading. From '02 Service Manual.


Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Control System Description
EVAP System Components
FIGURE EVAP System Overview(c)




(1) EVAP Canister Purge Solenoid
(2) EVAP Canister
(3) Fuel Fill Neck/Fill Cap
(4) Rollover Valve/Fuel Tank Pressure (FTP) Sensor
(5) Fuel Tank
(6) EVAP Canister Vent Solenoid
(7) Vent Hose/Pipe
(8) EVAP Vapor Pipe
(9) EVAP Purge Pipe
(10) EVAP Service Port

EVAP Canister




The evaporative emission (EVAP) canister is a sealed unit with the following 3 ports:

A purge pipe
A vapor pipe
A vent pipe
FIGURE EVAP Canister(c)




(1) Purge Tube to Solenoid
(2) Buffer Tube
(3) Charcoal Bed
(4) EVAP Charcoal Canister
(5) Volume Compensator
(6) Fresh Air Inlet from Air Separator
(7) Liquid Fuel Trap
(8) Vapor Tube from Fuel Tank

The canister is filled with carbon pellets used in order to absorb and store the fuel vapors. Fuel vapor is stored in the canister until the powertrain control module (PCM) determines that the vapor can be consumed in the normal combustion process.

EVAP Purge Valve




The EVAP purge valve controls the flow of vapors from the EVAP system to the intake manifold. This normally closed valve is pulse width modulated by the PCM in order to precisely control the flow of fuel vapor to the engine. The valve will also be opened during some portions of the EVAP testing, allowing engine vacuum to enter the EVAP system.

EVAP Vent Valve




The EVAP vent valve (1) controls the fresh airflow into the EVAP canister. The EVAP is a normally open valve. The PCM will command the valve closed during some EVAP tests, allowing the system to be tested for leaks.

Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor




The fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor measures the difference between the pressure or vacuum in the fuel tank and the outside air pressure. The FTP sensor mounts in the top of the fuel tank-sending unit. The PCM provides a 5-volt reference and a ground to the FTP sensor. The FTP sensor provides a signal voltage back to the PCM that can vary between 0.1 and 4.9 volts. As fuel tank pressure increases, FTP sensor voltage decreases. As fuel tank pressure decreases, FTP voltage increases .

EVAP System Operation
The EVAP control system limits fuel vapors from escaping into the atmosphere. Fuel tank vapors are allowed to move from the fuel tank, due to pressure in the tank, through the vapor pipe, into the EVAP canister. Carbon in the canister absorbs and stores the fuel vapors. Excess pressure is vented through the vent line and the EVAP vent solenoid to the atmosphere. The EVAP canister stores the fuel vapors until the engine is able to use the vapors. At an appropriate time, the PCM will command the EVAP purge valve open, allowing engine vacuum to be applied to the EVAP canister. With the EVAP vent valve open, fresh air will be drawn through the valve and vent line to the EVAP canister. Fresh air is drawn through the canister, pulling fuel vapors from the carbon. The air/fuel vapor mixture continues through the EVAP purge pipe and EVAP purge valve into the intake manifold to be consumed during normal combustion. The EVAP system requires the PCM be able to detect a leak as small as 1 mm (0.040 inch) in the EVAP system. The PCM uses several tests to determine if the EVAP system is sealed.

Weak Vacuum Test
This tests for large leaks and blockages in the EVAP system. The PCM will command ON and close the EVAP vent valve and will command ON and open the EVAP purge valve with the engine running, allowing engine vacuum into the EVAP system. The PCM monitors the FTP sensor in order to verify that the system is able to reach a predetermined level of vacuum within a set amount of time. If the PCM does not detect the predetermined vacuum level on 2 consecutive tests, a DTC P0440 will set.

Vacuum Decay Test
If the weak vacuum test passes, the PCM will command OFF the EVAP purge valve, sealing the EVAP system. The PCM tests for vacuum decay in the EVAP system by monitoring the FTP sensor for a change in voltage over a period of time. If the decay rate is more than a calibrated value, the PCM will rerun the test. If the test fails again, a DTC P0442 will set.

Canister Vent Restriction Test
If the EVAP vent system is restricted, fuel vapors will not be properly purged from the EVAP canister. The PCM tests this condition by commanding the EVAP purge valve CLOSED and commanding the EVAP vent valve OPEN and monitoring the FTP sensor for an increase in vacuum. If an increase in vacuum is detected, DTC P0446 will set.

Purge Valve Leak Test
If the EVAP purge valve does not seal properly, fuel vapors could enter the engine at an undesired time, causing driveability concerns. The PCM tests for this condition by commanding the EVAP purge and vent valves closed, sealing the system, and monitoring the FTP for an increase in vacuum. If the PCM detects an increase in vacuum, DTC P1441 will set.

EVAP Service Bay Test
The EVAP service bay test is accessed with a scan tool, and allows EVAP diagnostic tests to be run at higher engine coolant temperatures (ECT) than are allowed during normal testing. The EVAP service bay test allows all of the above tests to be run on demand. When the EVAP service bay tests are run, the scan tool will indicate that the tests have passed, or will indicate which specific DTC has failed. If a EVAP service bay test fails, DTCs will not be recorded in the PCM Freeze Frame/Failure Records. The DTCs will only be displayed on the scan tool. The EVAP service bay test is useful in determining if a fault is present, and for verifying a repair.
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