you need 7K minimum for either direction. 
NA...or FI...opnions?
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '14-'15
NA...or FI...opnions?
I am making this thread for my buddy so he can get some different insight. I have tried to get him to go NA with a TFS 215/ set up...but hes torn. I wont go into my opinions and such, I will let you guys do that. But here is what he wants....
440+ rwhp
stock drivability
not smelly (lopey, gas, ect...)
dependable
no long term issues (tuining, ect...)
about a 4k limit on monies
ready.............go!
440+ rwhp
stock drivability
not smelly (lopey, gas, ect...)
dependable
no long term issues (tuining, ect...)
about a 4k limit on monies
ready.............go!
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Melting Slicks
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Look around, you should be able to find a used P1 stage 1 kit for under 4K.
That will give you more then what your looking for power wise, do the wrenching yourself and get a dyno tune and you will be happy.
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That will give you more then what your looking for power wise, do the wrenching yourself and get a dyno tune and you will be happy.
For Now
Boost is addictive!
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The problem I've seen with using a used blower is that you rarely get all that is needed. Finding the missing parts usually drives up the cost considerably. But in this economy I suppose anything's possible.
Heads, cam, intake, injectors and tune doing the labor yourself could easily be done on a 4K budget and reach the desired power levels.
Heads, cam, intake, injectors and tune doing the labor yourself could easily be done on a 4K budget and reach the desired power levels.
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Melting Slicks
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I already went down this road...
Picked up a used P1sc stage 1 kit for cheap. but within the first year, i upgraded a few things (intercoolers, fuel pump(s), injectors, tunes).. Looking back, i should have just went with a new proven kit from ECS or A&A. in the end, i think i ended up spending more than what a new kit would have cost me... And I STILL have the crappy stage 1 bracket (can't bring myself to spend the $$ to upgrade it)
if he is "only" looking for 440 rwhp, maybe he should stick with the heads/cam...
with FI - your only 1 bad tank of gas away from spending 4-5k MORE on a new motor.
Picked up a used P1sc stage 1 kit for cheap. but within the first year, i upgraded a few things (intercoolers, fuel pump(s), injectors, tunes).. Looking back, i should have just went with a new proven kit from ECS or A&A. in the end, i think i ended up spending more than what a new kit would have cost me... And I STILL have the crappy stage 1 bracket (can't bring myself to spend the $$ to upgrade it)
if he is "only" looking for 440 rwhp, maybe he should stick with the heads/cam...
with FI - your only 1 bad tank of gas away from spending 4-5k MORE on a new motor.
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You are not going to get 440rwhp with heads and cam without lope or smelly. It sounds like your friend might be better off with a very nice nitrous setup with all the bells and whistels. It could easily make the power you want and not effect driveabilty or tuning.
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tony mamo and a few others would beg to differ
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[QUOTE=redcycle13;1570163433]You are not going to get 440rwhp with heads and cam without lope or smelly. QUOTE]
Thats ridiculous. A buddy recently made 450rwhp with TFS 215's and a 224/228 cam. It idles and drives like stock. He also had a ported fast intake to hit that number, but it's definately possible.
Thats ridiculous. A buddy recently made 450rwhp with TFS 215's and a 224/228 cam. It idles and drives like stock. He also had a ported fast intake to hit that number, but it's definately possible.
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[QUOTE=MPM IV;1570163694]
I think it's been too long since you were in a stock vette.
Lope and smell are subjective things, but you can be sure your buddies car doesn't idle and drive just like my brothers stock C6. 440 N/A is not hard at all, but you really should do a back to back comparison with a stock vette. Then you will see what you are giving up in comfort and driveability.
My car makes just under 700rwhp and I think it is perfectly civil, and can easily live with it. Then i get in my brothers car, and realize what an animal my car is compared to a stock one..
You are not going to get 440rwhp with heads and cam without lope or smelly. QUOTE]
Thats ridiculous. A buddy recently made 450rwhp with TFS 215's and a 224/228 cam. It idles and drives like stock. He also had a ported fast intake to hit that number, but it's definately possible.
Thats ridiculous. A buddy recently made 450rwhp with TFS 215's and a 224/228 cam. It idles and drives like stock. He also had a ported fast intake to hit that number, but it's definately possible.
Lope and smell are subjective things, but you can be sure your buddies car doesn't idle and drive just like my brothers stock C6. 440 N/A is not hard at all, but you really should do a back to back comparison with a stock vette. Then you will see what you are giving up in comfort and driveability.
My car makes just under 700rwhp and I think it is perfectly civil, and can easily live with it. Then i get in my brothers car, and realize what an animal my car is compared to a stock one..
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '14-'15
[QUOTE=MPM IV;1570163694]
agree,
with the way 215's are performing on 346's. a huge cam is not necessary to make good power
You are not going to get 440rwhp with heads and cam without lope or smelly. QUOTE]
Thats ridiculous. A buddy recently made 450rwhp with TFS 215's and a 224/228 cam. It idles and drives like stock. He also had a ported fast intake to hit that number, but it's definately possible.
Thats ridiculous. A buddy recently made 450rwhp with TFS 215's and a 224/228 cam. It idles and drives like stock. He also had a ported fast intake to hit that number, but it's definately possible.
with the way 215's are performing on 346's. a huge cam is not necessary to make good power
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St. Jude Donor '14-'15
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He can do it N/A no question about it. I would suggest he ride in a car with a similar setup to see if it suits his tastes. I was under the impression that he wants the car as stock like as possible. Again I think my car is perfectly reasonable to drive everyday, but I can't even get my dad to take it out for the day. He just doesn't like the trade offs.
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '14-'15
He can do it N/A no question about it. I would suggest he ride in a car with a similar setup to see if it suits his tastes. I was under the impression that he wants the car as stock like as possible. Again I think my car is perfectly reasonable to drive everyday, but I can't even get my dad to take it out for the day. He just doesn't like the trade offs.
I think my 224 cam with patriot heads in my 346 was perfect.
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Lets see a $4K budget.
New Cam, timing chain, under drive pulley. 224/228 581/588 on a 112+2* (114+2 if he does not want lope )
New CAI, new plugs and wires
and great tune.
and some new Nitto tires for stick
That would be close to $4K
* this cam has more throttle response then most big cams. May not have the bench racing HP numbers, but it very quick off the line
New Cam, timing chain, under drive pulley. 224/228 581/588 on a 112+2* (114+2 if he does not want lope )
New CAI, new plugs and wires
and great tune.
and some new Nitto tires for stick
That would be close to $4K
* this cam has more throttle response then most big cams. May not have the bench racing HP numbers, but it very quick off the line
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224/228ish cam with a good set of heads and all the bolt ons. Within budget, fairly reliable other than changing springs and stuff, shouldnt be any tuning issues, and should drive pretty good.