ECS installed my FAST90 over a year ago, never had to re-torque anything...and I have no leaks
FAST92 Loctite or not?
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Burning Brakes
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From: Lilburn GA
OK, had to go to four stores. Got the only in lbs one Northern tool had. $149 ouch! This wrench better put that intake on for me for that price. Hey the good thing about the trip was Northern sold Ice Cream Sandwiches at the checkout. After going to 4 stores in the HotLanta heat, that put a smile on my face.
I think I'm going to wimp out on the loctite, and spend more time getting them tight.
Suspension all back together (DRM brake ducts, Wilwood calipers, PFC01 racing pads, bilstein shocks) It like a new car down there. Anyway, on to the intake.
I think I'm going to wimp out on the loctite, and spend more time getting them tight.
Suspension all back together (DRM brake ducts, Wilwood calipers, PFC01 racing pads, bilstein shocks) It like a new car down there. Anyway, on to the intake.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Lilburn GA
Picked up a digital one that does in lbs. $149 was high, but after using it, I'll quote Ferris Bueller " If you can afford to get one, I highly recommend it"
I would have never considered paying that much for one, but I really wanted to do it right, so after four stores not having any, there it was.
All back together and running again. I'll let you know in a couple days if they loosen up again.
I did 60lbs first pass in the order suggested.
75in lbs next past
90 in lbs
finally 100 inch lbs.
I would have never considered paying that much for one, but I really wanted to do it right, so after four stores not having any, there it was.
All back together and running again. I'll let you know in a couple days if they loosen up again.
I did 60lbs first pass in the order suggested.
75in lbs next past
90 in lbs
finally 100 inch lbs.
Team Owner
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From: At the beach in little Rhody
Great 
You will use the wrench a lot if you work on the car. I tend to use the lb-in wrench on anything up to 18 lb-ft by converting the lb-ft to lb-in and swapping wrenches. I also torque my spark plugs and the smaller lb-in wrench is better for this job as well. In the end it will be money well spent.
You will use the wrench a lot if you work on the car. I tend to use the lb-in wrench on anything up to 18 lb-ft by converting the lb-ft to lb-in and swapping wrenches. I also torque my spark plugs and the smaller lb-in wrench is better for this job as well. In the end it will be money well spent.
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Ok, since you brought it up. Here's the crappy thingy I do. Feel free to suggest away.
I have a socket wrench where the socked goes up into the ratchet kindof inversed (Kobalt from Lowes). Fits under the firewall well this way. No way could I get a torque wrench on it. I don't know how anybody does. So As I'm working my way around the other 8, I'll put this little guy on one after using the torque wrench to feel how hard it is to turn with this little inverse wimpy socket. I then take my best guess on the two under the firewall.
I have a socket wrench where the socked goes up into the ratchet kindof inversed (Kobalt from Lowes). Fits under the firewall well this way. No way could I get a torque wrench on it. I don't know how anybody does. So As I'm working my way around the other 8, I'll put this little guy on one after using the torque wrench to feel how hard it is to turn with this little inverse wimpy socket. I then take my best guess on the two under the firewall.
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Loctite is not the way to go at all. If anything you will need to tighten the bolts a bit as time goes by due to gasket settling. So loctite would make it harder to tighten the bolts. NO-ONE notices the bolts ALL coming loose at the same time with a suprising similarity. The loosness is due to the gasket settling.
Remember, we are only keeping air pressure in. No high pressure in any way. Unless you have a supercharged or turbocharged system.
Remember, we are only keeping air pressure in. No high pressure in any way. Unless you have a supercharged or turbocharged system.
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Picked up a digital one that does in lbs. $149 was high, but after using it, I'll quote Ferris Bueller " If you can afford to get one, I highly recommend it"
I would have never considered paying that much for one, but I really wanted to do it right, so after four stores not having any, there it was.
All back together and running again. I'll let you know in a couple days if they loosen up again.
I did 60lbs first pass in the order suggested.
75in lbs next past
90 in lbs
finally 100 inch lbs.
I would have never considered paying that much for one, but I really wanted to do it right, so after four stores not having any, there it was.
All back together and running again. I'll let you know in a couple days if they loosen up again.
I did 60lbs first pass in the order suggested.
75in lbs next past
90 in lbs
finally 100 inch lbs.
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Loctite is not the way to go at all. If anything you will need to tighten the bolts a bit as time goes by due to gasket settling. So loctite would make it harder to tighten the bolts. NO-ONE notices the bolts ALL coming loose at the same time with a suprising similarity. The loosness is due to the gasket settling.
Remember, we are only keeping air pressure in. No high pressure in any way. Unless you have a supercharged or turbocharged system.
Remember, we are only keeping air pressure in. No high pressure in any way. Unless you have a supercharged or turbocharged system.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Lilburn GA
Torque Sequence
The order is in the attached pic from the FAST92 instructions.
Just a few updates about my experience with this. Let me qualify myself by saying I'm no expert.
After torquing too tight as many recommend I cracked both the outer shell and the main under body. I sent it into Comp Cams, the company who handles distribution, and they believed my valley cover plate on the 2001 was causing problems because it has a bunch of bumps on it for the pcv nuts underneath. They gave me a brand new replacement. They also warned me that it most likely will happen again
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So I went to Road Atlanta with my stock intake and a solid tune. I really noticed the difference missing those extra HP. I have this thing about rich guys in their 60k cars passing me, I believe you should be able to outdrive me, not just outspend me
The popular Atlanta speed shop I bought it from agreed about the valley cover problem and said they usually just swap that dude out for a flat one. Well, the only flat ones I could find required relocating the knock sensors like on the LS2. Long story short. My FAST92 is back on and I will not go over 89lbs.
Oh, I spoke specifically with the head of their RMA deparment about the loctite and what he said made a lot of sense. "Do you think if you went to GM to get a new intake they would send you down the road and tell you to come back a couple more times", no way, use the loctite. Well, I put about 1/8 inch of blue loctite on each bolt when I put mine back on. I was very surprised with what I noticed. After a few weeks of driving, I'm thinking should I just let it be forever, assuming that the loctite held? I decided to put my fancy electronic torque wrench on 60in lbs and check them out. I figured that if they were still locked in at 89in lbs the wrench would beep before turning the bolts at all. Well, those bolts had to have been less then 50in lbs because they were really loose. Like I said, I'm no expert, and there are too many experts with different opinions for me to understand what is right. I'm hoping that after my third sequence of tightening, I can just leave it alone. From past experience I noticed that each time I retightened them, they would be closer to what they should be. Those gaskets are really good too, so I don't think it is that critical if they end up less then 89in lbs, but what do I know . . . . .
Just a few updates about my experience with this. Let me qualify myself by saying I'm no expert.
After torquing too tight as many recommend I cracked both the outer shell and the main under body. I sent it into Comp Cams, the company who handles distribution, and they believed my valley cover plate on the 2001 was causing problems because it has a bunch of bumps on it for the pcv nuts underneath. They gave me a brand new replacement. They also warned me that it most likely will happen again
. So I went to Road Atlanta with my stock intake and a solid tune. I really noticed the difference missing those extra HP. I have this thing about rich guys in their 60k cars passing me, I believe you should be able to outdrive me, not just outspend me
The popular Atlanta speed shop I bought it from agreed about the valley cover problem and said they usually just swap that dude out for a flat one. Well, the only flat ones I could find required relocating the knock sensors like on the LS2. Long story short. My FAST92 is back on and I will not go over 89lbs.
Oh, I spoke specifically with the head of their RMA deparment about the loctite and what he said made a lot of sense. "Do you think if you went to GM to get a new intake they would send you down the road and tell you to come back a couple more times", no way, use the loctite. Well, I put about 1/8 inch of blue loctite on each bolt when I put mine back on. I was very surprised with what I noticed. After a few weeks of driving, I'm thinking should I just let it be forever, assuming that the loctite held? I decided to put my fancy electronic torque wrench on 60in lbs and check them out. I figured that if they were still locked in at 89in lbs the wrench would beep before turning the bolts at all. Well, those bolts had to have been less then 50in lbs because they were really loose. Like I said, I'm no expert, and there are too many experts with different opinions for me to understand what is right. I'm hoping that after my third sequence of tightening, I can just leave it alone. From past experience I noticed that each time I retightened them, they would be closer to what they should be. Those gaskets are really good too, so I don't think it is that critical if they end up less then 89in lbs, but what do I know . . . . .
Last edited by kwhiteside; Oct 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM.
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I just got mine re-installed Sat, but I give back the torque wrench I was using. I may need to get it back and keep rechecking. Thanks for the sequence pic. Some of us have a used FAST.