C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Surging problem

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:24 PM
  #1  
declan's Avatar
declan
Thread Starter
Advanced
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
From: LEBANON ME
Default Surging problem

I HAVE A 99 VETTE I HAD A CAM PUT IN IT VERY MILD LS1 232/232 115
COMP CAM, I ALSO HAVE A FAST 92 INTAKE WITH A 90 TBI AND 410 GEARS EVER SINECE I HAD THE CAM AND GEARS PUT IN AFTER I DRIVE IT FOR 1-2 HOURS AND SHUT IT OFF AT A STORE ,REST AREA WHATEVER WHEN I START IT BACK UP IT SURGES FROM 450 TO1500 RPM AND WILL EVENTLLY STALL AND WILL KEEP DOIMG IT EVERYTIME I STOP AT A LIGHT OR STOP SIGN. UNTIL IT HAS SET OVER NIGHT AND IT RUNS GREAT UNTIL I TURN IT OFF, THEN IT STARTS THE SUGRING.I HAD IT TUNED AFTER THE CAM MOD WHICH WAS MAY LAST MOD.I CLEANED THE MAF THINKING THAT MIGHT BE DIRTY DID NO GOOD.
ANY THOUGHTS PLEASE HELP
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:28 PM
  #2  
vettenuts's Avatar
vettenuts
Team Owner
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 22,025
Likes: 192
From: At the beach in little Rhody
Default

Look for any un-metered air or leaks. Other then trying an idle relearn, sounds like the tuning needs some attention.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:31 PM
  #3  
declan's Avatar
declan
Thread Starter
Advanced
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
From: LEBANON ME
Default

How do ido a idle relearn?
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:42 PM
  #4  
VinnyT's Avatar
VinnyT
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,364
Likes: 6
From: Rocky Mount Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by vettenuts
Look for any un-metered air or leaks. Other then trying an idle relearn, sounds like the tuning needs some attention.


Sounds like an air leak(vacuum)somewhere. Try running it and spraying car cleaner near the throttle body/intake seam, around the the intake/block mating surface, etc. If the idle jumps and holds for a second or two, you have found the leak. Also, check all your hoses/PCV for cracks/disconnections/etc.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:49 PM
  #5  
vettenuts's Avatar
vettenuts
Team Owner
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 22,025
Likes: 192
From: At the beach in little Rhody
Default

Originally Posted by declan
How do ido a idle relearn?
Motor cold, disconnect battery for a minute then re-connect and start the car. Let it come up to temp. Shut off for 30 seconds and re-start. Once re-started, I usually turn the A/C on then off a couple of times to ensure the engine correctly compensates.

Who did the tuning?
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:51 PM
  #6  
VinnyT's Avatar
VinnyT
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,364
Likes: 6
From: Rocky Mount Virginia
Default

Idle Learn Procedure

Automatic Transmission
Perform the following procedure in order to return the learned idle to the correct position:

1] Turn OFF the ignition.
2] Restore the PCM battery feed (if disconnected).
3] Turn OFF the A/C controls.
4] Set the parking brake, and block the drive wheels.
5] Start the engine.
6] Ensure that the engine coolant temperature is more than 80°C (176°F).
7] Shift the transmission into Drive.
8] Allow the engine to idle for 5 minutes.
9] Shift the transmission into Park.
10] Allow the engine to idle for 5 minutes.
11] Turn OFF the engine for 30 seconds.

Manual Transmission
Perform the following procedure in order to return the learned idle to the correct position:

1] Turn OFF the ignition.
2] Restore the PCM battery feed.
3] Turn OFF the A/C controls.
4] Set the parking brake, and block the drive wheels.
5] Place the transmission in Neutral.
6] Start the engine.
7] Ensure that the engine coolant temperature is more than 80°C (176°F).
8] Allow the engine to idle for 5 minutes.
9] Turn OFF the engine for 30 seconds.

The A/C compressor kicking in and out at idle speeds puts a high load on the engine at those rpms and will affect idle speeds on most Vettes... Some with modified cams have a very rough idle and may stall with the A/C on at idle...

To complete the PCM relearn...

Restart the engine and check for DIC error codes (there should be none).
10 Drive car for a minimum of 30 miles at varying rpm settings and speeds. PCM will now re-learn and adjust for the new air flow and temperature at the intake.
a) If error codes persist, repeat steps 1-7. Make sure fuses are properly inserted before repeating steps.
b) Do not deviate from the sequence outlined above. If you do, restart the sequence from scratch.
c) Steps 1-4 are also necessary if you ever disconnect your battery or lose power for any reason.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:52 PM
  #7  
byronhunter's Avatar
byronhunter
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 13
From: Kinston North Carolina
Default Idle Relearn

OOPS, Deleted, Vinny Beat me to it.

Last edited by byronhunter; Jul 5, 2009 at 06:58 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:54 PM
  #8  
VinnyT's Avatar
VinnyT
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,364
Likes: 6
From: Rocky Mount Virginia
Default

Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

7 Bolt-On Upgrades From Extreme Online Store to Level Up Your C6 Corvette

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

How Likely Are These Five 2027 Corvette Rumors to Be True?

 Brett Foote
story-5

9 Best Corvettes You Can Buy for Half Price (& 1 You Should NEVER Buy!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

8 Very Best Corvettes of Amelia Island 2026

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Top 10 WORST Corvette Engineering Failures of All Time!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Records the C8 Corvette Generation Has SMASHED (& 1 Glaring Failure)

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

7 Wildest Corvette Concepts Ever Made

 Brett Foote
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 06:59 PM
  #9  
declan's Avatar
declan
Thread Starter
Advanced
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
From: LEBANON ME
Default

Redline motor sports did the tune,howard really knows his stuff but i live 5 hours east of his shop
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 07:10 PM
  #10  
vettenuts's Avatar
vettenuts
Team Owner
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 22,025
Likes: 192
From: At the beach in little Rhody
Default

Not sure its closer, but Don down at Slowhawk Performance is an excellent tuner. He is in Raynham, MA.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 07:14 PM
  #11  
VinnyT's Avatar
VinnyT
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,364
Likes: 6
From: Rocky Mount Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by byronhunter
OOPS, Deleted, Vinny Beat me to it.


Gotta love this forum. Corvette owners helping out our brothers!!

Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 07:32 PM
  #12  
declan's Avatar
declan
Thread Starter
Advanced
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
From: LEBANON ME
Default

Thanks alot guys this form is great. I will let you know how i make out!!
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2009 | 09:01 PM
  #13  
Old Rotor Head's Avatar
Old Rotor Head
Melting Slicks
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,754
Likes: 0
From: Nokomis FL
Default

One real simple check. Make sure the air coupler is tight to the MAF. Mine wasn't and I had the same issues, drove me nuts finding it.
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 10:49 PM
  #14  
declan's Avatar
declan
Thread Starter
Advanced
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
From: LEBANON ME
Default

I checked my air connections and did idle relearn, problem gone. it is great to have a form like this to turn to for help, thanks
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2009 | 08:13 AM
  #15  
4SFED Z's Avatar
4SFED Z
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,704
Likes: 4
From: Lone Star State
Default

Originally Posted by VinnyT
The A/C compressor kicking in and out at idle speeds puts a high load on the engine at those rpms and will affect idle speeds on most Vettes... Some with modified cams have a very rough idle and may stall with the A/C on at idle...
Agreed
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2009 | 04:38 PM
  #16  
ALVETTE00's Avatar
ALVETTE00
Drifting
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,437
Likes: 5
Default

also check the vac line from the rear of the intake manifold to the brake booster...i helped my buddy diagnose this with his car...similar issue!

Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Surging problem





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:17 AM.

story-0
Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

Slideshow: Every Corvette Grand Sport explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-26 07:13:44


VIEW MORE
story-1
Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!

Slideshow: Breaking down the 2027 Grand Sport, Grand Sport X, Stingray, and LS6 V8.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-26 13:48:45


VIEW MORE
story-2
5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!

Slideshow: 5 reasons bad drivers crash sports cars & 5 ways to avoid a costly shame!

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-25 16:32:55


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Bolt-On Upgrades From Extreme Online Store to Level Up Your C6 Corvette

Slideshow: Check out these easy-to-install upgrades from Extreme Online Store that reshape the look and feel of the C6 Corvette.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-03-23 17:00:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
How Likely Are These Five 2027 Corvette Rumors to Be True?

There may be some big changes on the horizon.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-18 06:55:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
9 Best Corvettes You Can Buy for Half Price (& 1 You Should NEVER Buy!)

Slideshow: 9 best Corvettes you can buy for half price (and 1 you shouldn't!)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-17 10:20:26


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Very Best Corvettes of Amelia Island 2026

Slideshow: 8 best Corvette of Amelia Island 2026

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-11 09:28:52


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 WORST Corvette Engineering Failures of All Time!

Slideshow: Top 10 worst Corvette engineering failures

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-10 17:38:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Records the C8 Corvette Generation Has SMASHED (& 1 Glaring Failure)

Slideshow: 10 records the C8 Corvette generation has SMASHED (& 1 glaring failure).

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-02 11:16:36


VIEW MORE
story-9
7 Wildest Corvette Concepts Ever Made

Out of the many Corvette concepts that exist, these are by far the wildest of the bunch.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-02 11:03:54


VIEW MORE