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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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This might sound like a strange request, but hear me out The car was purchased from a gentleman who installed a Callaway Honker intake and Corsa Indy Pace Car exhaust. Now from what I have read, the intake nets around 16hp and the exhaust around 10hp for a total of 26hp. Add that to the stock 350hp puts this car around 375 give or take. The guy said that he had it dynoed at 420hp. My question is, what could account for the extra 45-50hp he claimed? I know things like headers, cams, throttle body, intake manifolds, etc can help add up to some big gains, but realistically I doubt he did all of that. What should I look for under the hood to see what has been added that would account for this? I'm going to bring it to the dyno myself fairly soon, but in the meantime I'd like to take a peak and see what I can find - just not sure exactly where to look and what I should be keeping an eye out for. I'm familiar with intakes, exhaust, suspensions and the like (installed myself a few times, easy stuff) but have never been a true "mechanic" working on the internals, so this is fairly new to me.

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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 01:26 PM
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If you didn't see a dyno sheet, I'm betting on BS.
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Yeah I didn't put a lot of stock in the numbers, and bought the car based on its condition and the options. However, I thought realistically he might have done the throttle body and maybe something else on a smaller scale than cams or headers.
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Originally Posted by tonylukes3
This might sound like a strange request, but hear me out The car was purchased from a gentleman who installed a Callaway Honker intake and Corsa Indy Pace Car exhaust. Now from what I have read, the intake nets around 16hp and the exhaust around 10hp for a total of 26hp. Add that to the stock 350hp puts this car around 375 give or take. The guy said that he had it dynoed at 420hp. My question is, what could account for the extra 45-50hp he claimed? I know things like headers, cams, throttle body, intake manifolds, etc can help add up to some big gains, but realistically I doubt he did all of that. What should I look for under the hood to see what has been added that would account for this? I'm going to bring it to the dyno myself fairly soon, but in the meantime I'd like to take a peak and see what I can find - just not sure exactly where to look and what I should be keeping an eye out for. I'm familiar with intakes, exhaust, suspensions and the like (installed myself a few times, easy stuff) but have never been a true "mechanic" working on the internals, so this is fairly new to me.

Thanks for any help!

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First of all, a cat back (for the most part) is not going to give you any increase in HP....just different sound....to taste.

Lot's of ways to check from a previously modded car, especially because soo many guys do average work, and cut corners returning a car to stock.

Look for RTV on surfaces, scar marks on bolts, loose/burnt wiring(because soo many forget to protect it when doing a header install). The list goes on, but you have to know what you are looking for.

If someone claims a RWHP, ALWAYS ask for receipts........and a dyno sheet.
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Thanks lucky, I'll give those items a look tonight
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Originally Posted by tonylukes3
This might sound like a strange request, but hear me out The car was purchased from a gentleman who installed a Callaway Honker intake and Corsa Indy Pace Car exhaust. Now from what I have read, the intake nets around 16hp and the exhaust around 10hp for a total of 26hp. Add that to the stock 350hp puts this car around 375 give or take.
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STOP. Nope. Not additive. but maybe 5-7 TOTAL GAIN without a tune, if that

Not going to get to 375 with out a great tune and 100 octane fuel AND OPEN EXHAUST. Corsa Indy Pace car exhaust is for sound only, not performance.
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Thanks lucky, I'll give those items a look tonight
You can also check the head casting numbers. If you don't have a Z06, the 243 casting numbers on the head are a dead giveaway for mods.
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STOP. Nope. Not additive. but maybe 5-7 TOTAL GAIN without a tune, if that

Not going to get to 375 with out a great tune and 100 octane fuel AND OPEN EXHAUST. Corsa Indy Pace car exhaust is for sound only, not performance.
Interesting, I figured this exhaust wasn't for the best performance but more for sound. Thanks for the input, I'm definitely considering a tune given it's an automatic as well.
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You can also check the head casting numbers. If you don't have a Z06, the 243 casting numbers on the head are a dead giveaway for mods.
Thanks
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If you every get up to tampa, Id be happy to take a look at your PCM to see if it's been tuned, and if it has, what was changed.
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he may have been claiming 420 crank. But I agree with everyone else. Mods don't simply add to each other like that, and if he doesn't show any proof of those numbers, then I wouldn't trust them
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he may have been claiming 420 crank. But I agree with everyone else. Mods don't simply add to each other like that, and if he doesn't show any proof of those numbers, then I wouldn't trust them


Sounds like he is 'interpolating' what the BHP is from the RWHP!
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If you every get up to tampa, Id be happy to take a look at your PCM to see if it's been tuned, and if it has, what was changed.
Definitely, that would be great! I'll let you know when I'm up that way with the car
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Sounds like he is 'interpolating' what the BHP is from the RWHP!
I'd have to agree there.
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Sounds like he was a true "salesman". Without the basics like headers, he was way off.
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