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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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or multimeter for checking a 12 volt battery--I have 4 and they all range from 12.61 to 12.70 volts--I want one that I know is dead on-
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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Fluke.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 06:23 PM
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or multimeter for checking a 12 volt battery--I have 4 and they all range from 12.61 to 12.70 volts--I want one that I know is dead on-
I've always used the brand name Fluke, Amprobe is another good name.. Not sure about their DC meters, I deal with AC on a regular basis.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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or multimeter for checking a 12 volt battery--I have 4 and they all range from 12.61 to 12.70 volts--I want one that I know is dead on-
There are a few factors that will affect the reading. Meter accuracy(stated in the documentation), quality of leads, temperature, and consistency of a quality connection(controlled by the user and corrosion).

Some lower end meters are capable of an accurate reading, but the leads they come with are junk. Some are more affected by temperature than others as well.

Fluke is an excellent choice; however, if the meter is not calibrated annually, you'll never be certain. Working in aviation, I was required to have my personal meter calibrated every year.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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4 instruments within 9 hundredths of a volt. That is less than 1% deviation between all 4. Sure you really need 5 multimeters?
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4 instruments within 9 hundredths of a volt. That is less than 1% deviation between all 4. Sure you really need 5 multimeters?
No kidding.

That minute variance could easily be attributed to cleanliness of connection between the probes and battery terminals. Probe the battery post in 5 unique places, and chances are quite good you'll 5 slightly different results (as if anyone truly needed to quantify a car battery to within .01v).

Anyways, I'm happy with my Fluke 87.

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4 instruments within 9 hundredths of a volt. That is less than 1% deviation between all 4. Sure you really need 5 multimeters?
Dont a 5th multimeter maybe a fifth to drink--I check the same clean new battery the same way with each meter-all digital but has anyone checked a 25.00 meter against an accurate fluke?
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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Finally something I'm an expert in. I'm involved with metrology (the science of measurement), and most 3 -4 digit DMM (digital multi-meters) will do fine. Fluke is top of line but pricey. There are many and I would suggest going to Newark Electronics, Allied Electronics, and Mouser Electronics on the web. Many will offer DMM in semi-ruggid cases (worth while). Most every DMM will offer DC volts, DC amps, AC volts, AC amps, and Ohms, as well as other functions that are handy. Some will offer tempeture as well which I think would be of value and come with the thermocouple probe. The more functions/features you can get may come in handy as well, but you really don't need alot for just working on cars in general. Test leads are important. You want lead connections to the meter itself that are standard banana jacks if possible (and many are). Leads are not that expensive and there are real nice ones out there that I would buy no matter what comes with the unit.

Calibration of these units is not so important as the technology is such with these things, if it works it's usally good to the stated accuracy, rarely do these change or drift accuracy. Most of the time it's because making a mistake and burning out a range or function will the accuracy be changed. I this case with a hand held DMM it's cheaper to replace than repair.

If you like I'll take a look and recommend an exact model for you.
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Originally Posted by lucky131969
There are a few factors that will affect the reading. Meter accuracy(stated in the documentation), quality of leads, temperature, and consistency of a quality connection(controlled by the user and corrosion).

Some lower end meters are capable of an accurate reading, but the leads they come with are junk. Some are more affected by temperature than others as well.

Fluke is an excellent choice; however, if the meter is not calibrated annually, you'll never be certain. Working in aviation, I was required to have my personal meter calibrated every year.
I agree with Lucky131969 I have a fluke also (77AN) Got mine from a military DRMO (Salvage) Sale. It was basically new.





It has never let me down but,,its not calibrated either. Unless you have your meter professionally calibrated, you will never know if its 100% spot on.

I like what bobby777 recommended. First test the meter leads and circuit using the OHMS scale. Make sure that you can read ZERO Ohms with the leads. Crap leads make an inaccurate meter.

Then read a 9 VDC battery with each meter, Three times and average each meter reading for the same meter and come up with a voltage reading. The meters should all read the same voltage if there accurate.

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In almost all instances those meters are close enough to each other for automotive work to not even worry about it.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Sorry I gassed so much about the DMM's (but here I go again). But I'm pretty sure you are reading well within the stated accuracy of each of your four meters. 90 millivolts between them all, measuring 12 volts is like 0.7 %, well within the necessary acuracy to measure a car battery. It's not as if a car battery is a stable accurate voltage source/standard.

DMMs accuracy are always stated in percent plus "PLUS/MINUS" one (at least) or more digits. This digit would be the LSD or least significant digit. This means that measuring a perfect 10.00 volts, your readings or accuracy can be no better than 9.99 to 10.01 volts from the get go, not to mention the additional error (and larger error) stated in the accuracy expressed in percentage. Gwad I must be bored.
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About the only time I needed a measurement that was more accurate than plus or minus a volt was checking the wideband O2 voltage range. If you want to invest in better diagnostic equipment on a car there are better choices than a voltmeter. Most times it's cheaper to narrow it down to a subsystem and just buy a new part.

Personally, I'd rather have a decent digital o-scope so you can see traces and check stuff like computer interfacing. If you need equipment beyond that you're either writing code or designing your own computer.
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 10:25 PM
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A tenth of a volt means NOTHING when you consider the voltage to operate all the DC accessories can fluctuate VOLTS from starting to high revs and the battery at full charge. If you aren't running a TV transmitter with a heated crystal controlled frequency or the atomic clock at WWV the $2.99 DVM from Harbor Freight or other such source should be more than adequate. If im looking for presence of battery voltage anything from 11 - 14 volts seems to indicate a connection to the fluctuating source due to pulsations from the 3 phase alternator and what RPM the engine happens to be turning along with the variable load from ingition, heater/AC, lights including flashing turn signals, wipers (yes I drive in rain and snow too) and other accesories.

Automotive electrical systems aren't rocket science or meant to be.

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