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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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We are building a electric race car with two motors. One motor will drive the front wheels, the other will drive the rear wheels. We're using Corvette suspension parts so we believe that the Vette C5 differential with 3,9 reduction ratio will also be a good choice. Weight is a very importaint issue for us. Does anyone know how much a diff weights?

Is it a limited slip differential?

One motor will give 1500 Nm torque and 500 hp. Can a standard diff take all that power?

We don't use a gearbox nor clutch, the motors are directly bolted on the differential.

Or someone has a better idea?

Thanks and greetings from Croatia (Europe)!
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The diff weighs 78 LBS dry. It is a limited slip diff. Yes the diff will handle 500 + HP.

Just remember that you will need a 27 splined shaft long enough to slide through to the pinion gear located at the back of the diff.
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Originally Posted by ragtopws6
The diff weighs 78 LBS dry. It is a limited slip diff. Yes the diff will handle 500 + HP.

Just remember that you will need a 27 splined shaft long enough to slide through to the pinion gear located at the back of the diff.
That's what I was looking for! Thanks a lot!
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 12:31 PM
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I would recommend that you go with a C6 differential just for the case strength. Also, you really should install Quaife torque biasing differential. The reason being is that on the front drive tires if you install a clutch pack type differential you will have severe steering issues.
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ragtopws6
The diff weighs 78 LBS dry. It is a limited slip diff. Yes the diff will handle 500 + HP.

Just remember that you will need a 27 splined shaft long enough to slide through to the pinion gear located at the back of the diff.
The 500hp is not the problem. I would be more concerned with the 1500NM (i.e. 1100 ft-lbs) of torque. Electric motor torque is generally instantaneous, so that 1100ft-lbs will be immediate. It will not build up like many cars. There may also be a secondary concern of the RPM that can be sustained since electric motors tend to spin much higher than a traditional ICE.

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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chaase
The 500hp is not the problem. I would be more concerned with the 1500NM (i.e. 1100 ft-lbs) of torque. Electric motor torque is generally instantaneous, so that 1100ft-lbs will be immediate. It will not build up like many cars. There may also be a secondary concern of the RPM that can be sustained since electric motors tend to spin much higher than a traditional ICE.
The torque shouln't be an issue, a 500ft/lb engine with a manual transmission of 2.97 1st gear is 1485 ft/lbs, I'm sure that this car weighs less than a street corvette that is around 3400-3600 lbs as well.

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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ@RPMtransmissions
The torque shouln't be an issue, a 500ft/lb engine with a manual transmission of 2.97 1st gear is 1485 ft/lbs, I'm sure that this car weighs less than a street corvette that is around 3400-3600 lbs as well.

Thanks,
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Just wanted to make sure the extra high TQ wasn't forgotten. I assume the high RPM isn't a problem either. Not sure about their motor specs, but 14-15k RPM is common and 20K is not unreasonable.

Its not that I don't believe you, part of it is for my own knowledge. I am a big fan of electric propulsion.
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We have customers that run 7000 rpm in overdrive a .70 so that is 11900 rpm out the back. So it should take the rpm as well.
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Originally Posted by TJ@RPMtransmissions
We have customers that run 7000 rpm in overdrive a .70 so that is 11900 rpm out the back. So it should take the rpm as well.


Thanks for humoring me.
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Originally Posted by TJ@RPMtransmissions
I would recommend that you go with a C6 differential just for the case strength. Also, you really should install Quaife torque biasing differential. The reason being is that on the front drive tires if you install a clutch pack type differential you will have severe steering issues.
Hi TJ.

I have purchased some components from Shaun (SMC Performance). He recommended me to contact RPM Transmissions about this order. Did he already informed you about this project?

It doesn't have to be a C5 diff, I'm looking for the best option (within a reasonable price of course)

Originally Posted by chaase
The 500hp is not the problem. I would be more concerned with the 1500NM (i.e. 1100 ft-lbs) of torque. Electric motor torque is generally instantaneous, so that 1100ft-lbs will be immediate. It will not build up like many cars. There may also be a secondary concern of the RPM that can be sustained since electric motors tend to spin much higher than a traditional ICE.
My motors are designed to have more torque at lower RPMs. The "redline" is at 8.000 RPM but I think we won't go above 7.000 RPM

Btw. The car will be very light - 1050 kg.

Thanks again
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This sounds like a great project, please keep us updated
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