C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Security light and NO START!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 9, 2010 | 03:05 PM
  #41  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

I am starting to think it is, as you may have stumbled on, the wires at the switch. I am going ot hit the TDR wire this weekend and see what I got. You gonna be around here Saturday?

If not, what I am looking for is 12 volts on the yellow wire when I start it?

Also, I think i am going to do the resistor bypass Saturday as well.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2010 | 03:17 PM
  #42  
lucky131969's Avatar
lucky131969
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Builder
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,493
Likes: 1,178
From: Dyer, IN
Default

Originally Posted by Goody
Hey Kennya35,
I did some additional testing last night when I got home. Hoped in the car and tried to start it. Nothing, nadda....no internal lights, no guage sweep or anything. This was completely new and unexpected. So I then put the DVM on the TDR again and when I tried to start the car I did see the 12.4v while in the Start position. So as Lucky has pointed out I can now eliminate the TDR and fuse from the equation. After a couple more tries the internal lights came on and the car did the sweep as expected.
I tried the clutch pedal up and down thing a few times with the key in Start position and it made no difference.
If you have 12 volts at the TDR yellow wire, then the clutch switch has to be good !!

Originally Posted by Goody
I shook the key and did a few in and outs with the key. No change.
Before the three minutes would elapse though (the book says that if you try to start the car before the three minutes elapses the clock resets) I yanked on the ignition switch harness connectors and then when I turned the key the car started right up!!!
It is either a wire harness at the switch or the switch itself....at least in my case.
What is going on with the security light during this whole exercise?
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 01:29 AM
  #43  
Goody's Avatar
Goody
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 6,362
Likes: 30
From: Oak Harbor WA
Default

Originally Posted by lucky131969
If you have 12 volts at the TDR yellow wire, then the clutch switch has to be good !!

What is going on with the security light during this whole exercise?
I agree Lucky that the TDR is good. I always hear clicks from the passenger floorboard side of the car. Real easy to hear with the access panel removed.

The security light is on steady when the code is set. I always get the B2721H when it doesn't start, but when it is current the light is on. The P1631 happens about 50% of the time. I don't remember exactly if I had the light on or not before the wire jiggle manuever. So, out of simple curiosity, I started the car again today to see. No security light at all and the car started right up first try.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 10:28 AM
  #44  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

When I open the driver door the Security light flashes, is it supposed to do this? Once I close the door, it quits flashing. Is this proper? Just want to be sure that it is not another symptom. It does this everytime I get into the car.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 10:36 AM
  #45  
lucky131969's Avatar
lucky131969
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Builder
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,493
Likes: 1,178
From: Dyer, IN
Default

Originally Posted by kennya35
When I open the driver door the Security light flashes, is it supposed to do this? Once I close the door, it quits flashing. Is this proper? Just want to be sure that it is not another symptom. It does this everytime I get into the car.
Yes, and is described as such in your owners manual.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 11:06 AM
  #46  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

Thanks. I am at work, so didnt have a chance to look it up before asking.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 11:11 AM
  #47  
lucky131969's Avatar
lucky131969
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Builder
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,493
Likes: 1,178
From: Dyer, IN
Default

Originally Posted by kennya35
Thanks. I am at work, so didnt have a chance to look it up before asking.
http://www.gmpartshouse.com/download...03corvette.pdf
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 11:12 AM
  #48  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

Thanks!
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Sep 10, 2010 | 01:09 PM
  #49  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

Ok, explain this. Security light came on during my ride home, when I got home I shut the car off and waited about 20 seconds and started it up. Started right up and no Security light. What does that mean? Is it a clue??
Reply
Old Sep 11, 2010 | 01:12 AM
  #50  
Goody's Avatar
Goody
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 6,362
Likes: 30
From: Oak Harbor WA
Default

Originally Posted by kennya35
Ok, explain this. Security light came on during my ride home, when I got home I shut the car off and waited about 20 seconds and started it up. Started right up and no Security light. What does that mean? Is it a clue??
On page 8-723 of my 2001 set of manuals it states the following:

If the PASS-Key system detects an open or short to ground when the ignition switch is in the RUN position, the BCM will default to fail enable mode. Fail enable occurs when the proper key resistance is sensed before the open short to ground occurs. Fail enable will illuminate the security indicator lamp and allow the operator to stop and start the vehicle until the problem is corrected. The PASS-Key system includes the following components:
Ignition key
Ignition cylinder
BCM
TDR
PCM
Security Indicator

So it breaks down like this:

If the PASS-Key system detects an open or short to ground when the ignition switch is in the RUN position (this means you may have started the car already). ******THIS IS WHY********

Fail enable occurs when the proper key resistance is sensed before the open short to ground occurs.(this means the lock cylinder is doing what it should and reads the key pellet at least at the time the car is started).

Fail enable will illuminate the security indicator lamp and allow the operator to stop and start the vehicle until the problem is corrected. (basically it is acting just like the SES light to let us all know the security system is not working properly..This is why you see the security light when driving...and why I do to at times).
Reply
Old Sep 11, 2010 | 09:56 AM
  #51  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

Got it, thanks.

So I checked the voltage on the yellow wire. I only saw it register 10.9 volts when I started it. It very well could have hit 12 but it moved up and then back down so quick I am not for sure if it hit 12 or not.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 04:08 PM
  #52  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

Update.... But I am not going to say this very loud...... whisper mode on: No Security light since Friday....

As stated above, I hit the yellow wire and got 10.9 volts. Could have been higher but it moved so quick, I dont know if it went past 10.9 or not. Anyway, when I was done with that, I took my electrical cleaner spray and sprayer out the connection that the inline relay hooks to. Cleaned the heck out of it. I also disconnected the plugs from the BCM and noticed a little bit of corrosion on them, nothing to serious, but cleaned them as well. I need to take a picture of something I found, you wont believe it. I will post it this weekend.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the Security light was just a corrosion issue.....
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 04:12 PM
  #53  
lucky131969's Avatar
lucky131969
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Builder
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,493
Likes: 1,178
From: Dyer, IN
Default

Originally Posted by kennya35
Update.... But I am not going to say this very loud...... whisper mode on: No Security light since Friday....

As stated above, I hit the yellow wire and got 10.9 volts. Could have been higher but it moved so quick, I dont know if it went past 10.9 or not. Anyway, when I was done with that, I took my electrical cleaner spray and sprayer out the connection that the inline relay hooks to. Cleaned the heck out of it. I also disconnected the plugs from the BCM and noticed a little bit of corrosion on them, nothing to serious, but cleaned them as well. I need to take a picture of something I found, you wont believe it. I will post it this weekend.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the Security light was just a corrosion issue.....
Corroded contacts on the TDR will not precipitate a security light, although it could result in a no start condition. On the other hand, corroded connectors on the BCM could cause the issue you've been having.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2010 | 11:23 PM
  #54  
Goody's Avatar
Goody
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 6,362
Likes: 30
From: Oak Harbor WA
Default

Fingers crossed for you.
Reply
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 10:17 PM
  #55  
crAzy's Avatar
crAzy
Melting Slicks
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,131
Likes: 12
From: Houston Tx
Default

Well my car is officially not starting anymore and now the steering wheel is locked. My security light is on and it does NOT blink.

Update: I did the resistor bypass and started right up. Guess my ignition cylinder is out.

Last edited by crAzy; Oct 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2011 | 07:02 PM
  #56  
quicksilver_03's Avatar
quicksilver_03
Instructor
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
From: Tampa Fl
Default Security light issu|e

I realize this is an older post; "but" my car just developed the same symptom... what finally corrected this phenomenum?
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2011 | 07:11 PM
  #57  
lucky131969's Avatar
lucky131969
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Builder
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,493
Likes: 1,178
From: Dyer, IN
Default

Originally Posted by quicksilver_03
I realize this is an older post; "but" my car just developed the same symptom... what finally corrected this phenomenum?
Create you own thread, and post your codes.
Reply
Old May 4, 2011 | 12:08 PM
  #58  
kennya35's Avatar
kennya35
Thread Starter
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 656
Likes: 5
From: McAlester Oklahoma
Default

I apologize everyone for not updating this. I have not had the security light/no start problem since. I think the cleaning of the connection worked. Only way i can explain it.

I did experiance a no start again and started a new thread on it becuase the security light never came on..
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:14 AM.

story-0
5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 most overrated Corvette track packages ever.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:46:45


VIEW MORE
story-1
Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

Slideshow: Every 2027 Corvette engine explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:16:31


VIEW MORE
story-2
Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

Slideshow: A Jaguar designer's personal project imagines what a modern front-engined Corvette might look like if Chevrolet revisited the golden age of the Stingray.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-08 19:53:43


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-8
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE