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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 07:34 PM
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When I put the car in reverse, it blows the #21 fuse in the IP box. When that fuse blows, then I also lose the lights that illuminate the rear liscense plate and the auto dimming mirror. Sometimes I put a new fuse in and it doesn't blow right away --- but if I drive several miles and then put the car in reverse to back up, the fuse blows. So something is loose or shorting out intermittantly.

HELP ---- any ideas where to look first? I looked at all the wires that go to these llights and I don't see anything obvious ---- but they are all twisted and taped together.

Where to look first? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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When I put the car in reverse, it blows the #21 fuse in the IP box. When that fuse blows, then I also lose the lights that illuminate the rear liscense plate and the auto dimming mirror. Sometimes I put a new fuse in and it doesn't blow right away --- but if I drive several miles and then put the car in reverse to back up, the fuse blows. So something is loose or shorting out intermittantly.

HELP ---- any ideas where to look first? I looked at all the wires that go to these llights and I don't see anything obvious ---- but they are all twisted and taped together.

Where to look first? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
6 speed I presume? If so your reverse switch is bad. Unplug the switch and replace the fuse. Then short the two wires together and see if your reverse lights come on. It seems to be a common failure on 6 speeds. Mine went out but didn't short out the fuse. The lights just didn't work.
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Originally Posted by happiedazs
When I put the car in reverse, it blows the #21 fuse in the IP box. When that fuse blows, then I also lose the lights that illuminate the rear liscense plate and the auto dimming mirror. Sometimes I put a new fuse in and it doesn't blow right away --- but if I drive several miles and then put the car in reverse to back up, the fuse blows. So something is loose or shorting out intermittantly.

HELP ---- any ideas where to look first? I looked at all the wires that go to these llights and I don't see anything obvious ---- but they are all twisted and taped together.

Where to look first? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
First thing I would do is remove relay #38 in the underhood fuse box, and try it again. This will isolate the back up switch, and assoicated upstream wiring. If the fuse blows, you have an issue with the back up switch, or associated wiring. If the fuse does not blow, reinstall the relay, and remove the back up lamp bulbs (good time to inspect the sockets). If the fuse does not blow, you have a funky bulb or socket.

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When I FOB open the locked car, the back-up lights and license plate lights come on fine ---- so I guess everything points to the back up switch on the tranny. Might as well buy one before I jack up the car. Geeeeze, this car has only 9,000 miles on her and has never seen rain. Can't believe this switch went already. GM cost cutting at work. I Guess that's why my everyday driver is a BMW.

Will be several days before I can get to this --- I will let everyone know how things have worked out.

Thanks to all for sharing your knowledge and quick response.
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When I FOB open the locked car, the back-up lights and license plate lights come on fine ---- so I guess everything points to the back up switch on the tranny. Might as well buy one before I jack up the car. Geeeeze, this car has only 9,000 miles on her and has never seen rain. Can't believe this switch went already. GM cost cutting at work. I Guess that's why my everyday driver is a BMW.

Will be several days before I can get to this --- I will let everyone know how things have worked out.

Thanks to all for sharing your knowledge and quick response.
Not so fast good sir. Did you pull relay #38 to isolate? If not you are guessing.
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First thing I would do is remove relay #38 in the underhood fuse box, and try it again. This will isolate the back up switch, and assoicated upstream wiring. If the fuse blows, you have an issue with the back up switch, or associated wiring. If the fuse does not blow, reinstall the relay, and remove the back up lamp bulbs (good time to inspect the sockets). If the fuse does not blow, you have a funky bulb or socket.
I don't understand this. I know my B/U light bulbs and sockets work fine because when I hit the FOB on approach they all light up fine and no fuses blow. So what does relay #38 control and to remove it do I just pull it out? It seems I already know it is the switch or wiring in that circuit --- what don't I understand here?

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Originally Posted by happiedazs
I don't understand this. I know my B/U light bulbs and sockets work fine because when I hit the FOB on approach they all light up fine and no fuses blow. So what does relay #38 control and to remove it do I just pull it out? It seems I already know it is the switch or wiring in that circuit --- what don't I understand here?

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Hey, no problem man.....just giving you another point of isolation. Rock on.
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Hey, no problem man.....just giving you another point of isolation. Rock on.
Thanks for you input and guidance. Will replace the switch this weekend and then see where I am.
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Replaced the back-up siwtch today --- everything seems find now

Thanks to all for their input and directing me to the problem. I never would have suspected that the switch would have shorted out the entire circuit.

Thanks again
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I have a problem with mine also. The left back up light is dull but it works. Any ideas?
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I have a problem with mine also. The left back up light is dull but it works. Any ideas?
Try changing the bulb and check for dirt & corosion inside the socket.
Also check the wiring at the socket. That's probably it
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