Don't mean to dim your hopes but the scramblers you are thinking of don't work and the ones that actually do cost lots of $$$ and are also FCC illegal - sorry. Of course I would suggest you do your own research anyway. Sorry you got nailed.

 

I will have to agree. All the tests that have come out show that all your doing with a passive jammer is wasting your money. There was one unit in the test about 5 yrs ago that showed significant promise, but was pulled because of investigation by FCC (not entirely "passive" I guess). Anyway, before I read the tests I purchased a Rocky Mountain Radar Phantom and after my first ticket I decided to test it with a few of my cop friends. We tested over hills, down straightaways, instant on or constant on, with radar detector or without and in each instance the gun was able to get a lock. Not one time did the "jammer" work. I returned the unit thinking something was wrong, and they sent me another one. We tested it, same results. So all I can say is don't waste your money...

Now active jamming is another story. Check out this link: http://www.1-radar-laser-jammers-detectors.com/

I found this site when I was doing research on active jammers. Not sure about performance or not, but it sounds promising...

 

!00% Scientifically correct. Passive jammers (The ones that Rocky mountain sells) do not work. Active Jammers??? Sure, they work but are also very expensive. They are also, for the most part, FCC illegal. But who cares about a felonious offense? Avoiding that ticket is the main thing, right?

 

How, precisely, would you get caught with an active jamming system?

 

FWIW - my family is about 1/2 made up of cops on one side.

That being said..... Traffic Cops = Tax Collectors. No bones about it.

I always used to have the latest detectors. Know what? I got TWO tickets with them. They were real handy. Like, "oh, by the way, you might want to slow down now because you were just shot with radar." Little late.

Since then I have taught myself a new skill on the road. Total Situational Awareness. Doesn't take much work if you just scan ahead. You can pick out the spots where the cops might be. Eventually you get the knack for it. There are easier signs too. Almost EVERY other sheepish driver on the road hits the brakes, regardless of their speed, when they realize there is a cop on the road, off the road, at Dunkin' Donuts or even if he's just catching some Zs in the car.

In the past 5 years I haven't gotten a single speeding ticket. That says a lot given the nature of my two cars - fast and loud. The other aspect being that the PD in my town have no crime to deal with and have a chief who REALLY DOES tell his crew that their performance reviews will be based primarily on # of tickets given. No joke.

Of course, the other thing that helps is to keep to semi-normal speeds. When I 1st got the Corvette I don't think there was a time I got on the highway that it didn't see 120+. Now that I've gotten that out of my system, I still go 80-100 on the highway from time to time. But not unless I have some idiot out in front of me doing it too. :D

Some people get annoyed by the negative forms of attention our cars get. Like the guys in imports or dailies that see the car and suddenly think they are in a race with us? Well, let them.

It must be a psychological thing. If you get next to someone in the fast lane and stay there they will speed up. If you speed up with them they just go faster. Sometimes it doesn't take any work at all. They may just be speeding anyway. But they get going 80+. Let them wing it out ahead of you a ways and then tuck in behind them. Now they are going 80+ with you in pursuit. They are now your point man. Cop shooting radar? Gonna nail him first. Guy sees a cop? He's gonna nail his brakes so you can do it casually or switch lanes and look innocent.

Just thought I'd blurb all that out. I know when I had radar detectors I drove with a false sense of security and it stung me. So far this other way has been working out pretty well. :chevy

 

Why ask? Is a felonious offense worth the risk? It may be a game in the begining, but when you get caught, well, "GAME OVER."

The FCC may not be the DEA or IRS but don't think for a moment they won't prosecute.

JMO.




[Modified by MarkFLC5, 12:39 PM 4/22/2002]

 

I ask b/c I would like to know how some nosy-bureacratic-jock sniffin-cop lovin puke would know if I had one or not w/o violating my rights, e.g. illegal search & seizure or having some moron turn me in.

MY QUESTION STANDS.

[QUOTE]How, precisely, would you get caught with an active jamming system?

Whe ask? Is a felonious offense worth the risk? It may be a game in the begining, but when you get caught, well, "GAME OVER."

The FCC may not be the DEA or IRS but don't think for a moment they won't prosecute.

 

Well for starters, some POLICE equipment can tell if its actively being jammed. At that point, illegal search and seizure turns into "Reasonable suspicion" or something along those lines. Perhaps some cops or x-cops will chime in on this.

But it never hurts to get it form the horses mouth:
http://www.fcc.gov/

I'm sure if you ask they will supply an honest answer.

 

I doubt the FCC has any idea how to actually catch someone using the technology. Again, my question remains on the table. I look forward to any response from any individual with substantive information.

BTW, I'm not impressed nor intimidated by Federal Agencies or any appurtenant feature thereof.

 

I dont know how many radars are able to, but it is not difficult to build in circuitry to tell if they are being jammed.

Thats enough evidence to do a search of the vehicle.

 

Why would they assume it was my vehicle & not one next to me? I don't think this issue is as clear cut as most think. Seldom is any aspect of law enforcement crystal clear.

 

My offense wasn't speeding.
I talked to some others who had speeding citations and the solicitor was offering a reduced speed/fine plea. I think the threshold is 23mph over for reckless driving which is a more serious offense. If your at 24mph over, you should probably consult with a lawyer. That's what I would do. Let us know how this turns out.

-Chuck
aka Way Fun

 

Well I know what you mean by actually catching someone "Using it." This would definitely be difficult especially since one can turn the device off if the local officer initiates a pursuit.

But do they need to catch you using it? OK, lets say that a local officer Has the means of detecting ECM's (FWIW, these Active JAMMERS emit very powerfull signals. In fact, to work, they have to be at least as powerfull or greater than the device they are scrambling). Or lets just say he's suspicious as his radar, or Laser, which would be more convincing btw, signal gets modified when he aims it your vehicle). He decides to pursue your vehicle. Well, you aren't worried 'cause the unit is not on and there is no way that anyone can prove you were ECMing the cops equipment. But the cop searches your vehicle (he has every right to under law) and discovers it. Its not on, but it is installed.

 

Point taken, but you have to admit, he'd have to be one alert & sharp cookie to figure out what the deal was, especially if you're sharing the road with several other cars. Personally, I don't see the value in one, but was really honestly curious how they could "sniff" one out w/o being notified that it was there first. I wonder if their radars malfunction very often w/o jammers messing with them. If so, would they just assume this was the case or could they separate that occurence from active jamming?

At the end of the day, the bottom line is that they can pull you over & give you a ticket for speeding even if you were driving 5 mph under the limit, regardless of whether or not your detector of choice was turned on. And you'll pay the fine. Cops can do as they damn well please.

So can I, they just do' realize that I know it. :)


[Modified by Futch, 3:13 PM 4/22/2002]

 

I am confused with your post. Is your beef with the valentine 1 or are you saying the cop gave you a BS ticket. You made it sound like you didn't see the cop until you were passing him. So he probably had your speed way before you saw. As far as him saying he got you at 69 and your post said as you were passing him at 67 that doesn't seem far fetched. What most people don't understand is the radars and laser units of today are far more sophisticated than 5 years ago. Instant on radar means just that. Older units were constantly on . If you were the only vehicle around its just a quick blip of the hold button on the radar to get your speed and wait for the next. As for the laser it measures your speed in 1/3 of a second. And there is no prwarning of a laser unit because it is aimed at each individual vehicle.Why does everyone bash the cops. If he was going to come up with a BS ticket why didn't he use a ridiculous number like 80 or more and not within 2mph of the speed you mentioned you were going. Just my $.02 . Just hope the court allows you to plea bargain to a non moving offense

 

Thats true but unfortunately it truly is a matter of revenue much of the time which is precisely why I'm not too worried about the 5mp over. Cops usually go for the 13 or over 'cause thats when fines geometrically increase which means mo money, mo money, mo money for the municipality or state!!!

BTW, when the Police Benevolent association calls for charity (for all you Police Benevolent Solicitors out there!), I tell them I gave at the address/location of my last speeding ticket.

 

YUP - and by then its too late. There are certain times (night, hills, no other vehicles within blocks from you) when you really need to ensure you're observing speed limits. And there are other times when you can seize the lattitude which certain situations allow.

But for Chronic speeders, I would advise changing behavior (which is not easy to do BTW) before changing Radar Detectors.

 

If you speed you probably will get caught sooner or later.
My buddy just got a ticket this weekend in Florida by "Aircraft".
88 in a 70. :rolleyes:
Police were waiting to ticket him...radar never went off of course. He had a V1 also.

 

why does everyone bash cops? Because they have double standards. I continuously see them speeding by at 10-20 over the limit without there lights on and for no aparant reason, I see them double parking and blocking traffic for no good reason, they stop in the middle of the fricking road and talk to eachother, and on top of all this they have the nerve to give people tickits on wide open highways with no traffic. Do you only drive your C5 @ under 55mph? NYS is very bad about speeding tickits, fortunatly the judges are nice enough to throw them out. I have a real problem when I see cops stoping people for no aparent reason. They should be out catcing the real criminals. And dont even talk about drug busts as justification for speeding tickets. For every 1 drug head you stop 99 normal people and ruin there day. On top of all of this u never see people geting tickited for riding someone elses bumper in the non passing lane. Or the SUV set that blows through the stop signs because they know people will not want to hit there giant vehicals. Go catch the real criminals. :rolleyes:


[Modified by 1990bevile, 4:00 PM 4/22/2002]

 

taken from the active jammer site:

LEGAL ISSUES:

The Department of Transportation bans the use of radar detectors in commercial trucks. Virginia and Washington DC ban the use of radar detectors in all vehicles.

The following states ban the use of radar and laser jammers: MN, OK, CA, NB, VA. Driver is responsible for Phantom RCD™ use and operation. Our products are road-certified for high performance by Speed Measurement Laboratories. Neither Speed Measurement Laboratories nor Tiger Lily Products condones speeding
http://www.1-radar-laser-jammers-det...ar-jammer.html