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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 06:36 PM
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That is just too painful to look at. So sorry you are having this issue. Makes me cringe.
Good luck with the re-build/replacement on the engine.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 08:13 PM
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You can rebuild it with the knowledge and time. You could also do a crate engine. Depending on your level of expertise, you might want to consider having a Corvette knowledgeable shop, along with recommendations, do the work for you.

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 09:08 PM
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This sucks really bad. Money is not good for me right now. Looks Like I will have to just take out a loan to get everything fixed.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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I'm sorry I was right. The symptoms simply pointed in that direction.
Time to make it into a 383.

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 11:56 PM
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How much of the metal inside the filter is from cutting it open the way you did?
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 08:45 AM
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Obviously some of the cuttings in there were from the opening but there were metal particles down embedded in the filter material vanes. Any one of the numerous bearings could have let go or more than one of course. I'm really curious what precipitated this to happen? I'm still on the OEM bottom end on mine at 325K miles although I know at some point, it'll have to be rebuilt.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 09:15 AM
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ouch.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 12:18 AM
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dgrant3830
Obviously some of the cuttings in there were from the opening but there were metal particles down embedded in the filter material vanes. Any one of the numerous bearings could have let go or more than one of course. I'm really curious what precipitated this to happen? I'm still on the OEM bottom end on mine at 325K miles although I know at some point, it'll have to be rebuilt.
Wow 325k miles? I don't know what happened. Like I said I had just left my driveway, went through 1st and into second and came up on a stop sign, let in the clutch, and the car stalled. And the motor locked up and wouldnt crank. Very wierd. I did run it very hard the night before and kind of noticed a tapping sound out of the ordinary. The motor always had a lot of valve train noise but I do remember hearing something just a tad louder that night.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Qwik01
Wow 325k miles? I don't know what happened. Like I said I had just left my driveway, went through 1st and into second and came up on a stop sign, let in the clutch, and the car stalled. And the motor locked up and wouldnt crank. Very wierd. I did run it very hard the night before and kind of noticed a tapping sound out of the ordinary. The motor always had a lot of valve train noise but I do remember hearing something just a tad louder that night.
Man, I felt sick reading this thread. I totally feel for you.

I would suspect that you did the damage while you were running it hard. When you took it out the next day, whatever you damaged the night before finally gave out and the shrapnel jammed up your crankshaft somehow? I am betting on a spun main bearing. Especially since you didn't hear a rod knocking.

May I ask what cam you were running, and what oil pump you had? Threads like this make me want to upgrade my stock oil pump ASAP.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 03:07 AM
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I lost a main bearing on my old cammed 408ci, on a long leisurely drive...after having an oil leak I didn't yet know about. The oil pressure on the DIC never indicated a problem. 3 quarts down when I made it home, and my crankshaft was history.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 10:41 AM
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Did you previously have fluctuating oil pressure?

The bypass valve in my stock oil pump got stuck several times after a WOT run, the pressure at idle would drop into the teens ('02 Z06, 100% stock engine). A quick rev up would get the pressure back where it was supposed to be and "unstick" the bypass valve and all would be well again. I kept a very close eye on that situation for over a year, then when my cam and lifters got wiped out this summer I installed a Melling 10296 high flow pump with the low pressure spring. No way was I going to dick around with another OEM based pump - WAY too much work involved in changing it, and the Melling was not much more expensive.

My oil pressures are perfect now, right where they should be for a stock engine. It's also nice to know as my high mileage engine wears that the pump has 18% more flow capacity than the stock pump did. I had to file an EXTREMELY small area in my timing cover to get the pump to fit, no big deal at all, and everything oil pressure related is good now.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 11:12 AM
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That sucks... Let us know which way you decide to go with the rebuild/replace.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ironembraced
Man, I felt sick reading this thread. I totally feel for you.

I would suspect that you did the damage while you were running it hard. When you took it out the next day, whatever you damaged the night before finally gave out and the shrapnel jammed up your crankshaft somehow? I am betting on a spun main bearing. Especially since you didn't hear a rod knocking.

May I ask what cam you were running, and what oil pump you had? Threads like this make me want to upgrade my stock oil pump ASAP.
I have no idea what size cam was in the car. I bought it like this. I had some valve control loss the first time on the dyno since the previous owner just threw in a cam and left the stock valve springs. I am assuming the stock oil pump.

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Did you previously have fluctuating oil pressure?

The bypass valve in my stock oil pump got stuck several times after a WOT run, the pressure at idle would drop into the teens ('02 Z06, 100% stock engine). A quick rev up would get the pressure back where it was supposed to be and "unstick" the bypass valve and all would be well again. I kept a very close eye on that situation for over a year, then when my cam and lifters got wiped out this summer I installed a Melling 10296 high flow pump with the low pressure spring. No way was I going to dick around with another OEM based pump - WAY too much work involved in changing it, and the Melling was not much more expensive.

My oil pressures are perfect now, right where they should be for a stock engine. It's also nice to know as my high mileage engine wears that the pump has 18% more flow capacity than the stock pump did. I had to file an EXTREMELY small area in my timing cover to get the pump to fit, no big deal at all, and everything oil pressure related is good now.
Nope. The oil pressure has always been solid. Usually a little lower when the engine was really hot in the summer. Maybe 35. But usually 39 to 41 at idle then around 65 to 69 near redline.

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That sucks... Let us know which way you decide to go with the rebuild/replace.
I was hoping to put in an LS3 with a small cam. But the guy just did a compression test and said the #5 cylinder was a little lower than the rest. So I may steer away from that one. I don't want any problems down the road. The car is my daily driver. I did find a LS2 with 4k miles on it. Stock motor.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Qwik01
I was hoping to put in an LS3 with a small cam. But the guy just did a compression test and said the #5 cylinder was a little lower than the rest. So I may steer away from that one. I don't want any problems down the road. The car is my daily driver. I did find a LS2 with 4k miles on it. Stock motor.
You'd get a few more cubes that way. I think you'd make more power for less $$$$ though if you rebuilt you current motor (or a different LS1/LS6) and put a blower on it...

Lots of LS2/LS3/LS7 swap threads on here for reading though...
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cdkcorvette7
You'd get a few more cubes that way. I think you'd make more power for less $$$$ though if you rebuilt you current motor (or a different LS1/LS6) and put a blower on it...

Lots of LS2/LS3/LS7 swap threads on here for reading though...
thats the thing. I can't really afford the down time. I don't want to hold up a friends lift for weeks to get mine rebuilt. I want to be able to pull my engine out and put the newer one in and just keep the ls1 I have as a spare to rebuild later if neccessary. I'm hoping I can get this done in a long weekend.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 06:37 PM
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thats the thing. I can't really afford the down time. I don't want to hold up a friends lift for weeks to get mine rebuilt. I want to be able to pull my engine out and put the newer one in and just keep the ls1 I have as a spare to rebuild later if neccessary. I'm hoping I can get this done in a long weekend.
Just my opinion, but if you cannot afford down time, and this is your only daily driver that you depend on, then the last thing you should be concerned with is more cubes, more mods, etc. Drop a create LS6 in there, and call it a day.
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Just my opinion, but if you cannot afford down time, and this is your only daily driver that you depend on, then the last thing you should be concerned with is more cubes, more mods, etc. Drop a create LS6 in there, and call it a day.
I agree with lucky on this. His view is right on the spot. Get your wheels working again and worry about mods later.

Now I've got to ask, what were you doing the night before that entailed running it hard per your words? Most people don't track a car at night so I've got to wonder.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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I agree with lucky on this. His view is right on the spot. Get your wheels working again and worry about mods later.

Now I've got to ask, what were you doing the night before that entailed running it hard per your words? Most people don't track a car at night so I've got to wonder.
Ran it up to redline a few times.
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Originally Posted by Qwik01
Wow 325k miles? I don't know what happened. Like I said I had just left my driveway, went through 1st and into second and came up on a stop sign, let in the clutch, and the car stalled. And the motor locked up and wouldnt crank. Very wierd. I did run it very hard the night before and kind of noticed a tapping sound out of the ordinary. The motor always had a lot of valve train noise but I do remember hearing something just a tad louder that night.
How many miles did you have on it? How hard were you running it the night before?

what was your redline? Do you check the oil level routinely?

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