Timing Chain and Oil Pump questions
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Drifting
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From: Oklahoma City OK
Timing Chain and Oil Pump questions
Had to pull my 2004 A&A S/C'd Z06 apart because I had a front balancer seal leak. Since I have it down to this, I am going to throw a stage 2 A&A blower cam in and and freshen some stuff up. I am guessing the car will want to make over 600rwhp easy. It will be street driven for the most part. Car will be used for straight line pulls (at the strip) and driving around town. Have some questions though....
1. Should I replace the timing chain? LS2? Double Roller? And do I need a timing chain dampener (where would I even buy this)?
2. I have 45k on my car, I am going to go ahead and freshen up the oil pump while I am in there. Is the ported LS6 pump from Texas Speed the way to go? Or is there a better deal in town with the same oil pumping performance?
3. Is there anything else you can think of that I might want to do?
1. Should I replace the timing chain? LS2? Double Roller? And do I need a timing chain dampener (where would I even buy this)?
2. I have 45k on my car, I am going to go ahead and freshen up the oil pump while I am in there. Is the ported LS6 pump from Texas Speed the way to go? Or is there a better deal in town with the same oil pumping performance?
3. Is there anything else you can think of that I might want to do?
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Drifting
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From: Oklahoma City OK
Not even sure what it is for, unless it is used to help keep a loose chain from some type of whiplash when you are varying your RPM a lot.
Burning Brakes
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From: Florence SC
I used a Roll Master single row chain in my FRC it tightened up things and no chain dampener was needed. I tried the LS2 chain first, it made no since to me to install one that loose. I also installed a new melling oil pump, I ported it myself, there are procedures out there to do this and it in not difficult at all. I've used Roll Master timing sets before they are quality parts.
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Drifting
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From: Oklahoma City OK
I used a Roll Master single row chain in my FRC it tightened up things and no chain dampener was needed. I tried the LS2 chain first, it made no since to me to install one that loose. I also installed a new melling oil pump, I ported it myself, there are procedures out there to do this and it in not difficult at all. I've used Roll Master timing sets before they are quality parts.
Safety Car
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From: Jackson Tn
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
double rollers in an LS engine are over kill.
Cloyes Hex-A-Just comes with the good LS2 chain and billet sprockets. It's tight so you won't need a chain dampener and it makes it easy to dial in your cam.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx
Cloyes Hex-A-Just comes with the good LS2 chain and billet sprockets. It's tight so you won't need a chain dampener and it makes it easy to dial in your cam.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx
Le Mans Master
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From: Kyle TX (Because Mojo Made me fill it in)
double rollers in an LS engine are over kill.
Cloyes Hex-A-Just comes with the good LS2 chain and billet sprockets. It's tight so you won't need a chain dampener and it makes it easy to dial in your cam.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx
Cloyes Hex-A-Just comes with the good LS2 chain and billet sprockets. It's tight so you won't need a chain dampener and it makes it easy to dial in your cam.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx
My C5R chain was VERY tight on the hex-a-just set but I went ahead and added the damper too just to be extra safe. I was lucky that my block was pre-drilled/tapped at the factory.
http://store.katechengines.com/dampe...-ls6-p260.aspx
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Drifting
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From: Oklahoma City OK
After reading a LS1tech thread about the C5R chain, it seems to be hit and miss. They seem to break sometimes just like the rest of the chains on the market.
Could it be that people are going double roller because you have to lose twice to lose it all? Instead of with a single chain, lose once, lose it all.
Thanks for the help guys, keep it coming. Seems like this timing chain thing is one of the toughest un agreed upon issues in the LSX
community.
Could it be that people are going double roller because you have to lose twice to lose it all? Instead of with a single chain, lose once, lose it all.
Thanks for the help guys, keep it coming. Seems like this timing chain thing is one of the toughest un agreed upon issues in the LSX
community.
Pro
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I hadn't seen any instances of the actual Katech C5R chain failing, and I'm gathering parts for a cam swap...timing chain is on the list.
Safety Car
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good start
i have a 02 z06 that i just got got back from east texas muscle
so to answer a few of your question for one i would not trust my vette to anyone but stephen
he did suggest that we put a high velocity oil pump in it and timing chain.. the mods that i had done were cam,rods,springs,k/n cold air intake, longtubes and we ordered the 2.5 heads for it today
i want to keep the car naturally aspirated i like the sound of the cam myself it runs pretty good now cant wait to get the heads on it
anywat i had 45,000 on mine
east texas muscle cars .com it will be worth your time to give him a call
so to answer a few of your question for one i would not trust my vette to anyone but stephen
he did suggest that we put a high velocity oil pump in it and timing chain.. the mods that i had done were cam,rods,springs,k/n cold air intake, longtubes and we ordered the 2.5 heads for it today
i want to keep the car naturally aspirated i like the sound of the cam myself it runs pretty good now cant wait to get the heads on it
anywat i had 45,000 on mine
east texas muscle cars .com it will be worth your time to give him a call
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Drifting
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From: Oklahoma City OK
I have seemed to have lost it, but it was a very good thread on this subject. If I find it again (I need to) I will make sure to post it. They also discussed how tough the C5R chain was, but that Cloyes top chain was stronger. I guess someone, or Cloyes, spent time comparing the two.
Safety Car
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From: Jackson Tn
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
i have a 02 z06 that i just got got back from east texas muscle
so to answer a few of your question for one i would not trust my vette to anyone but stephen
he did suggest that we put a high velocity oil pump in it and timing chain.. the mods that i had done were cam,rods,springs,k/n cold air intake, longtubes and we ordered the 2.5 heads for it today
i want to keep the car naturally aspirated i like the sound of the cam myself it runs pretty good now cant wait to get the heads on it
anywat i had 45,000 on mine
east texas muscle cars .com it will be worth your time to give him a call
so to answer a few of your question for one i would not trust my vette to anyone but stephen
he did suggest that we put a high velocity oil pump in it and timing chain.. the mods that i had done were cam,rods,springs,k/n cold air intake, longtubes and we ordered the 2.5 heads for it today
i want to keep the car naturally aspirated i like the sound of the cam myself it runs pretty good now cant wait to get the heads on it
anywat i had 45,000 on mine
east texas muscle cars .com it will be worth your time to give him a call
Former Vendor
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From: longview tx
i have a 02 z06 that i just got got back from east texas muscle
so to answer a few of your question for one i would not trust my vette to anyone but stephen
he did suggest that we put a high velocity oil pump in it and timing chain.. the mods that i had done were cam,rods,springs,k/n cold air intake, longtubes and we ordered the 2.5 heads for it today
i want to keep the car naturally aspirated i like the sound of the cam myself it runs pretty good now cant wait to get the heads on it
anywat i had 45,000 on mine
east texas muscle cars .com it will be worth your time to give him a call
so to answer a few of your question for one i would not trust my vette to anyone but stephen
he did suggest that we put a high velocity oil pump in it and timing chain.. the mods that i had done were cam,rods,springs,k/n cold air intake, longtubes and we ordered the 2.5 heads for it today
i want to keep the car naturally aspirated i like the sound of the cam myself it runs pretty good now cant wait to get the heads on it
anywat i had 45,000 on mine
east texas muscle cars .com it will be worth your time to give him a call
thanks for the props man!
to the OP
i would put a chain in it. even if you only go with the ls2. 45K isnt a ton of miles but we have seen the chains start to get slack in them by then, and to do the chain you have to pull the pump so might as well put a good one in there.
Burning Brakes
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From: Florence SC
Timing chain
Mine is a single roller, I ordered a Katech chain from Texas Speed and when I put it on it too was loose just like the LS2 chain. I called them and they were aware of the issue and were more than glad to refund my money and then sell me the Roll Master chain. I know others will challenge this but I'm satisfied with the Roll Master. I guess any chain is good as the next until it breaks.
Team Owner
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
double rollers in an LS engine are over kill.
Cloyes Hex-A-Just comes with the good LS2 chain and billet sprockets. It's tight so you won't need a chain dampener and it makes it easy to dial in your cam.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx
Cloyes Hex-A-Just comes with the good LS2 chain and billet sprockets. It's tight so you won't need a chain dampener and it makes it easy to dial in your cam.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx
