Are these things junk?
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Racer
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Are these things junk?
For the price...it almost seems too good to be true. Do you think it's a waste of money?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290571127436...84.m1436.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290571127436...84.m1436.l2649
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For the price...it almost seems too good to be true. Do you think it's a waste of money?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290571127436...84.m1436.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290571127436...84.m1436.l2649
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Racer
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I switched to a dual cone several years ago. It is a quality part made by a racing supplier. The best thing about it is when the time comes to clean your filters they come apart way easier than the 'too tight' fit of the other designs....no forcing parts in or out.
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The metal tube itself is fine. I wouldn't put one of those filters on my lawnmower though, much less my Vette. You could always buy that kit and replace those filters with some K&N cone filters, and it would still be cheaper than most CAI kits out there.
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In my opinion, it's more the construction quality and ability of the filters to keep contaminants out of your motor. Along with that is the engineering of the product to provide an improvement other than looks. Metal tubing won't wear out, filters will.
Questions I'd ask before spending even "to good to be true" $60...
The ad says it's metal tubing construction. It looks fine. The usual argument is that "heat soak" comes with metal tubing. Meaning the incoming air is heated even more from the temperature of the tubing.
Another argument from twin cone past threads is that "air turbulence" is caused by the dual cones. You know, the unsubstantiated stuff that comes up on the internet.
The ad says the filters are washable and re-usable. Are they oil/gauze construction? Will those filters (oiled or dry) keep the junk out of your motor that causes wear? Are off shore (since much less expensive is the question here) filters made to the same quality as K&N FILTERS, S&B FILTERS, AIRAID, or GREEN FILTERS? Are the filters for form or function? My guess is the former.
My bet is that intake is usually purchased for appearance and cost only. I doubt the dual cones will provide any improvement in horsepower or torque. The sound of rushing incoming air will be enhanced and increased sound is what most owners equate to more power (intake or exhaust).
Is your goal for form/appearance only? Is your goal to spend the least amount of money? For very little money, you can improve upon your oem intake to achieve more air into your motor. You can add an after market drop in filter, etc.
FWIW, the twin cone intakes are not "cold air" intakes, cooler air at most. Any intake where the filter(s) are not completely isolated from the hot engine compartment are not providing "cold air".
Is your goal to bring true cold air for improved breathing and performance? There are only a few true "cold air" intakes...VARARAM, HONKER and systems offered by HALLTECH come to mind. Their air intake is completely isolated from the heated engine compartment. That's function over form.
In the end, it's your choice, your car and your money...
Questions I'd ask before spending even "to good to be true" $60...
The ad says it's metal tubing construction. It looks fine. The usual argument is that "heat soak" comes with metal tubing. Meaning the incoming air is heated even more from the temperature of the tubing.
Another argument from twin cone past threads is that "air turbulence" is caused by the dual cones. You know, the unsubstantiated stuff that comes up on the internet.
The ad says the filters are washable and re-usable. Are they oil/gauze construction? Will those filters (oiled or dry) keep the junk out of your motor that causes wear? Are off shore (since much less expensive is the question here) filters made to the same quality as K&N FILTERS, S&B FILTERS, AIRAID, or GREEN FILTERS? Are the filters for form or function? My guess is the former.
My bet is that intake is usually purchased for appearance and cost only. I doubt the dual cones will provide any improvement in horsepower or torque. The sound of rushing incoming air will be enhanced and increased sound is what most owners equate to more power (intake or exhaust).
Is your goal for form/appearance only? Is your goal to spend the least amount of money? For very little money, you can improve upon your oem intake to achieve more air into your motor. You can add an after market drop in filter, etc.
FWIW, the twin cone intakes are not "cold air" intakes, cooler air at most. Any intake where the filter(s) are not completely isolated from the hot engine compartment are not providing "cold air".
Is your goal to bring true cold air for improved breathing and performance? There are only a few true "cold air" intakes...VARARAM, HONKER and systems offered by HALLTECH come to mind. Their air intake is completely isolated from the heated engine compartment. That's function over form.
In the end, it's your choice, your car and your money...
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In my opinion, it's more the construction quality and ability of the filters to keep contaminants out of your motor. Along with that is the engineering of the product to provide an improvement other than looks. Metal tubing won't wear out, filters will.
Questions I'd ask before spending even "to good to be true" $60...
The ad says it's metal tubing construction. It looks fine. The usual argument is that "heat soak" comes with metal tubing. Meaning the incoming air is heated even more from the temperature of the tubing.
Another argument from twin cone past threads is that "air turbulence" is caused by the dual cones. You know, the unsubstantiated stuff that comes up on the internet.
The ad says the filters are washable and re-usable. Are they oil/gauze construction? Will those filters (oiled or dry) keep the junk out of your motor that causes wear? Are off shore (since much less expensive is the question here) filters made to the same quality as K&N FILTERS, S&B FILTERS, AIRAID, or GREEN FILTERS? Are the filters for form or function? My guess is the former.
My bet is that intake is usually purchased for appearance and cost only. I doubt the dual cones will provide any improvement in horsepower or torque. The sound of rushing incoming air will be enhanced and increased sound is what most owners equate to more power (intake or exhaust).
Is your goal for form/appearance only? Is your goal to spend the least amount of money? For very little money, you can improve upon your oem intake to achieve more air into your motor. You can add an after market drop in filter, etc.
FWIW, the twin cone intakes are not "cold air" intakes, cooler air at most. Any intake where the filter(s) are not completely isolated from the hot engine compartment are not providing "cold air".
Is your goal to bring true cold air for improved breathing and performance? There are only a few true "cold air" intakes...VARARAM, HONKER and systems offered by HALLTECH come to mind. Their air intake is completely isolated from the heated engine compartment. That's function over form.
In the end, it's your choice, your car and your money...
Questions I'd ask before spending even "to good to be true" $60...
The ad says it's metal tubing construction. It looks fine. The usual argument is that "heat soak" comes with metal tubing. Meaning the incoming air is heated even more from the temperature of the tubing.
Another argument from twin cone past threads is that "air turbulence" is caused by the dual cones. You know, the unsubstantiated stuff that comes up on the internet.
The ad says the filters are washable and re-usable. Are they oil/gauze construction? Will those filters (oiled or dry) keep the junk out of your motor that causes wear? Are off shore (since much less expensive is the question here) filters made to the same quality as K&N FILTERS, S&B FILTERS, AIRAID, or GREEN FILTERS? Are the filters for form or function? My guess is the former.
My bet is that intake is usually purchased for appearance and cost only. I doubt the dual cones will provide any improvement in horsepower or torque. The sound of rushing incoming air will be enhanced and increased sound is what most owners equate to more power (intake or exhaust).
Is your goal for form/appearance only? Is your goal to spend the least amount of money? For very little money, you can improve upon your oem intake to achieve more air into your motor. You can add an after market drop in filter, etc.
FWIW, the twin cone intakes are not "cold air" intakes, cooler air at most. Any intake where the filter(s) are not completely isolated from the hot engine compartment are not providing "cold air".
Is your goal to bring true cold air for improved breathing and performance? There are only a few true "cold air" intakes...VARARAM, HONKER and systems offered by HALLTECH come to mind. Their air intake is completely isolated from the heated engine compartment. That's function over form.
In the end, it's your choice, your car and your money...
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You mean, your entire post?
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Those twin cone intakes actually cause a lot of turbulence where the two tubes merge. This disturbs the air flow and at times can mess with the maf a bit (de-screened maf's). I looked into them a few years ago when I first started modding the car. Better off with a big high quality filter and a large intake duct like a Vararam, blackwing or a power duct.
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Great post! I really am looking for a little performance boost...not appearance. Trying to keep it inexpensive though. I totally agree about isolating the filters. I had an enclosed setup on a BMW and you could feel the air temp difference between the compartments with your hand! Maybe this tubing could be wrapped in headers wraps to keep heat out, but the filters would still be sucking in engine compartment air.
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Sure. If you remove a screen any intake can mess with the MAF. GM engineers put them in there for a reason. People pull them and wonder why their car runs lean or rich at certain RPMs...
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^^
Yeah but thats a popular mod as people try to get the most out of the car. At the same time thats why I went with a C6Z06 intake with a LS7 maf. I use a large honeycomb screen to smooth out the airflow, big difference.
Yeah but thats a popular mod as people try to get the most out of the car. At the same time thats why I went with a C6Z06 intake with a LS7 maf. I use a large honeycomb screen to smooth out the airflow, big difference.
