last time I changed them it was ngk tr5 and GM hot wires. Wasn't sure if there was something new/better now? I'm running Stock coils. H/c/I z06. I read on c6 section guys running ls7 plugs cuz quality and they're a colder plug. They said as rule of thumb, 100-150hp over stock u should drop heat range.

Msd wires?

 

TR55s, GMPP wires.

 

Plugs and wires is NOT a HP adder.. Purchase them for the quality of the wire and plug.
The GM Performance red Wires are about as good ast they come.

BC

 

I put in GM iridium plugs and MSD superconductors for wires, good quality and red to boot.

 

.......and also a lot less expensive than aftermarket specialty brands of plug wires.

 

Stock GM iridiums? Can anyone elaborate why c6 guys are dropping a heat range on over 100hp over stock?

 

 

I didnt like the MSD wires. They terminals were way deep in the boot so it made it a lot harder to get them on the plug as well as the fact that the ones I had didnt give a positive click when they snapped on. The oem heat shield didnt work as well on them as well. The GMPP wires work with the oem heat shield as well as give very positive clicks on both the plugs and coils and are cheaper than MSD. Plus it is isnt like the MSD is going to give any more hp over the GMPPs.

 

Thats what I am running too.

 

I just used a bit of die-electric grease before I installed the boot and easy has pie , makes it easier to remove them later .Ron

 

We offer the best deal on MSD wires on the planet at $58 a set delivered. We custom make them and guaranty them for life vs defects. We also offer at the same time a great deal on spark plugs be it NGK or AC Delco

http://www.mcssl.com/store/cc-perfor...81a6a08596362b

 

You keep posting your mistakes and I keep correcting it. You didn’t get them on all the way, don’t blame the wire. I make them easier to deal with by pushing the terminal further into the boot so it isn’t an issue but there is nothing wrong with the set you had either. Don’t blame user error on the product. You don’t need the oem heat shield with the MSD, all it does is interfere with the multi-angle function of the MSD.

The MSD has the same + click system that all wires use. they lock onto the spark plug, but because you did not push them all the way on you did not get the "click"

The MSD has lower resistance and a much better clamping system so it won’t break the way other wires do when you manipulate them as well as hi heat protection. At $58 I challenge you to find a wire that offers as many features. 8.5mm vs 7mm as well.
If need be I can dissect a few wires and show the differences. The MSD offers a lot more for the money.

 

So what you're saying is the heat shields don't FIT PROPERLY on the MSD wires?

The OEM heat shields fit perfectly on the GMPP red wires, and they provide the necessary heat shielding and RFI suppression that they were designed for.

 

No what I am saying is with MSD wires you do not need the heat shields. The heat and RFI suppression of the MSD is superior.

The heat shield does fit over the MSD wire/boot. But you cannot use the multi-angle function with them on as it inhibits you from bending the boot.
With the MSD you do not need the metal shield as you do with a lesser wire.

 

a supporting vendor trying to hock his product really doesnt hold a lot of water. bottom line, the MSD is not the super product that it is claimed to be. it will not increase the hp and when you try to use the oem heatshield with headers they do not work as well.
what empirical proof do you have that they are better and I will order a set now a back to back dyno chart showing that they improved hp, a datalog showing that they reduced knock, something, anything that proves that they are as good as you say. I didnt say that they didnt work. I said I didnt like them because of the extra effort that I had to do to get them on easily. You even said yourself that you set the terminal inside the boot to make it easier. I did the same thing with all 8 of the ones I tried. With the GMPP this was not necessary. Since I didnt buy my MSD wires from you, you have no actual way of knowing what was up with the set so you saying that there was nothing wrong with them is just a guess on your part. On a few the boot touched the block before the terminal even hit the plug. The modified ones that you say that you sell may work just fine and for only 58 dollars I am sure that they are a good deal. I just know that I did not like the extra effort required to install. The OP asked for opinions so I gave my experience.

 

baxsom facts might not hold a lot of water with you but they do with other people. I hock or sell MSD because I feel its the best wire for money. I can hock or sell any wire on the market plain and simple. I offer MSD because IMO its the best deal on a superior wire.

The double crimp system does not fail where the others do. This is the main reason wires pull apart or have internal breaks. If you had as much experience making wires as I do then you wouldn't dismiss the facts as a sales pitch you would know what your talking about instea dof being ignorant on the subject.

 

Ac delco irridiums and red gmpp wires. Cheap and the best. I know guys that replaced gm coils with MSD coils and MSD wires and went back to stock. MSD overpriced and overrated. IMHO.

 

The word "superior" is quite subjective in the case of MSD wires. They are superior only to the graphite core rubber boot wires from the 60's and 70's.

GMPP red wires are made, using the same modern technology as MSD wires, with spiral wound inductive cores for RFI suppression, and silicone rubber insulation and boots for resistance to heat.

 

The crimping system of the MSD is superior and the silicone and boots are "superior"..LOL and yes I agree its subjective. I'm just using verbiage that MSD uses

I'm not putting down the gmpp wires at all, just offering some facts about the MSD's after someone who didn’t use them correctly mis-stated a few things about them.

They dont break where others break. They have 40 ohms of resistance. They offer a proprietary silicone that is more heat resistant.( quoted from MSD)

One of the better things with our MSD's how ever are the heat protection options we offer.
The standard MSD grey boot is good to 400*F radiant, the hi heat boot good to 700*.
The wire sleeving is good to 1200* radiant and the cool sox good to 1200* contact and we offer them your choice of boots and custom lengths.

At $58 a set we offer them at the very best price in the world. There are literally thousands of users who enjoy them very much and are the last set they buy for their car.

 

MSD LS1 coils are junk, that’s a well known fact for a few years now. Their other products though are widely used and some are even made for GM by MSD.

But we're talking about wires here not coils or any other products they make.. If you want go down that road you will lose in a heartbeat. They have many products that are used every day by pro's in racing so let’s just keep to the subject matter of spark plug wires.

baxom knocks the MSD wires every chance he gets. Simple as that. He had one set ( not from me) didn’t us them right and now proclaims them to be junk. Jumps on any chance he can get to knock them and always says the same thing and the result is always the same. User error.
Your more than welcome to jump in his boat but just know you’re not providing any useful information. Your more than welcome to your opinion.,. but facts are what we're talking about here. I use the verbiage that MSD uses... IMHO we offer the best deal on one of the best wires on the market. fact and opinion mixed together