Hey guys,

I like to drive a lot on dry roads with the trac control off. Simply makes the car more fun scootin out in traffic etc. What I dont like is that it's "active" by default, and you have to use the switch to deactivate it, which lights the annoying dash light. I wold rather have it the other way around, "inactive" by default, and "Active" with the light when activated by the driver.

I dont imagine simply reversing the polarity would be advised.

Anyone ever try something here?

 

There was a product for a while I think, but you REALLY WANT IT ON BY DEFAULT.

 

The only annoying dash light that I can think of is the one that goes away with the reset button.

 

The switch doesn't work by "polarity" and reversing it won't make it work backwards.

 

No chit cherlock! That was a joke!


Uh, no,I really don't. I really see no need for this ABS and TCS stuff on dry roads. It try's to take over the car when it thinks the driver is doing something wrong or bad. "I" will drive my car thanks! Dont need any help from the 'puter!

In rainy and slick weather, different story.! Then I would turn it on! I wish I could pass the whole module when I wanted. (All OFF by default!). I'll start trolling for a kit or specific schema. Maybe it can be reversed at the relay.....

 

All cars have traction control systems on by default. This protects the manufacturer from being sued by idiots who can't drive. Unfortunately, these are the sign of the times. People expect the car companies to keep them safe no matter how bad of a driver they are. We even have cars that parallel park themselves for God's sake!

I, like you, prefer to have full control of the car. But, we are a dying breed my friend.

 

[QUOTE=dosoctaves;1580925016]No chit cherlock! That was a joke!



Yeah, everyone got a chuckle out of it, too.

 

Any tuning shop or a mail order tuner can completely disable your TC system all the time even if the button in ON--- Also can be de-sensitized or over sensitized --The STOCK level of TC is adjustable----Over sensitize for safety of young or unfamiliar drivers

 

Whatever. 65GGVert provided a good(not smartass) response, to a goofy suggestion/question....and..... it wasn't a joke, it's obvious you have no idea how the system operates. Keep looking for that magic relay chief...

 

And the day it rained and you forgot to turn it ON and ran up a tree you would be pissed (or dead). Leave in alone and turn it OFF when you want before you break something (like yourself). Is it REALLY that hard to hit the button one time when you start the car-REALLY?

DRy roads can be GRAVEL roads too, very easy to loose control there when it's DRY!

 

Yes, it's called LapTrax I believe. I've had one on my car for almost a decade. You can set it to turn the AH off each time the car is started. You can also have it turn on competition mode each time. It wires into the factory switch. Very handy. I haven't had my traction control on in a very long time.

It will not turn off ABS, you'd have to pull the fuses for that I would assume. That's not part of the AH/TC system (directly anyway).

Dope

 

This car won't kill you without AH and TC unless you don't know how to drive a high performance car. It doesn't sound like that is the case for this OP.

You make it sound like this car is some monstrous powerhouse of ungodly torque. They're pretty mighty, but there have been some mighty V8's during times when there was no traction control and terrible tires, and the fact that there are still C1-C4 Corvettes that aren't totaled are proof that you can still drive a powerful car without nannies. Get off the phone, pay attention to the road, and learn to DRIVE and not be DRIVEN.

 

It actually was a joke, but Im quickly learning that some in this crowd are just perfect and how dare we old school C5 noobies ask questions about these new fangled tings we never seen before!? The nerve! I see you're one of those 'contributers" who trolls the threads looking for something anything to criticize with your "expertise"! While I may be nieve about some of these systems, it was a simple question. Thanks for nothing!

I was driving hot rods long before any of these systems were around, in rain, on gravel...so save your sermon!

Now there is some good information! Thanks for the tip!

Touche' ! Protecting the people from themselves. Seems like a few posters here are in that crowd!


And yet another very informational response. Thats exactly what I'm after! Thanks Dope. I'll look it up!

While this is not nessecarily at the top of my do list. It does annoy me somewhat, so I thought I would throw the question out! I'll try in the future to do 2-3 weeks of research on specific systems before posting any questions, else I pizz off the techies!

 

No problem. There is also a similar product called the ATI TracMem if I remember correctly. It's similar but it's slightly different in that it will remember the last setting you used, whereas the Laptrax will always default to whatever you want it to be. Both are $100-125 and took a few minutes to wire up.

Don't worry about all of the nannies getting after you. People these days want their car to do everything for them including the driving. What did people do 10-15+ years ago? I guess everyone was just flying off the road in horrific accidents because cars didn't even come with traction control back then. Hell, before my vette I had two Camaro SSes with no traction control whatsoever. I drove them year round including in our nasty New England winters. I didn't even run snow tires for the first 5 years or so. I wouldn't consider myself to be an expert driver (or even close) and I never had a problem. Learning to control your car in adverse situations is part of the driving experience. Relying on electronic nannies is not.

Dope

 

Wasn't the Laptrax discontinued and there is no solution like that now???

I always find this odd. The "learn to drive" crowd should know better than to always be pushing their car to the limits. After all, if you're such a good driver then you should know better than to be endangering other lives by always driving the car "on the edge". The TC and AH don't do anything unless you are driving recklessy enough to lose traction and you're a good driver so you shouldn't be doing that. So explain again why it matters if TC and AH are on when you're driving on the streets?

The thing I find even more odd is that I can pedal my car and haze the tires enough to do a decent tail slide without the TC kicking in. I haven't tried a C5 with AH but I've played in other new GM vehicles at lower speeds in snow to see what the AH would do and I was about as far sideways as recoverable before the AH was doing anything useful. I wouldn't expect the AH to do much to stop smaller tail slides in a C5 either.

So, personally I have yet to figure out why the TC and AH are so bad they must be left off. You can "play" on the streets more than what is safe while leaving the AH and TC on to help catch the car for that one time you screw up.

Personally, I've had a few cases when my car went sideways when I didn't expect it at all, not even one bit. It's those cases where I don't mind that the TC was on.

 

It's a worthy debate either way I guess. There is a difference between "Spirited" and "Reckless" driving. I have only had this car a few months and still getting used it. However, it has shut me down once or twice when driving in a slightly "spirited" manner, and it clearly annoyed me. Part of the issue is this is first performance car I have owned with these types of systems. The wife's 05 STS has similar system and I have played around with it along the lines you mention. I dont get to drive it very often though!

Good point on finding the edge in C5! I'll certainly experiment with that!

Thanks to all for your inputs!

 

66 SS Chevelle, built 396 4spd, 3.73 and single well master cylinder w 4wheel drum brakes! It was my DD for ~3 years in mid atlantic winters! Young folk just dont get it!

 

Ya, we call it spirited the courts would call it reckless.

 

I am always amazed by the forum. The guy asked if the default setting could be reversed. The answer would seem to be yes....or no.

He didnt ask anyone of their opinion of whether he WANTS to do this (and the way he asked the question, he appears to know the potential consequences of doing this). Geeze.

 

And I answered his question directly with no "warnings" or judgement. You see how he responded to me, so sometimes the direct answer is not what they are looking for.