best upgrade to start with...
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Racer
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Anyone... Anyone will tell you it is a full second on almost any car.
1.4 seconds would be pretty hard to get by dropping 5000 ft but I can dream... read closely I never said it would certainly run that. and 12.3 is only 3 tenths off from an 11 second car.
Do you watch football? I do not but I remember the stories of the athletes saying having the super bowl in Denver was unfair because they could not breath.
Have you heard of altitude sickness? It is because your brain cannot get enough oxygen.
I have seen cars pick up 4 tenth by simply dropping 1k feet.
You my friend do not have a flipping clue and never seen a drag strip.
Bandemeire is the highest drag strip in America and if you look at NHRA times you will see the drop off. Google it.
hp loss = (elevation x 0.04 x hp @ sea level)/1000
This is a proven fact... no an idea.
Last edited by frenchsquared; Mar 8, 2013 at 09:20 AM.
Racer
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From: Agawam Mass
Sure I'm wrong idk how old you are but I've been racing a long time but hey you asked for help we tried you say we're all wrong seems you know it all already good luck here's an idea slam the vette put hydraulics on it and it will kill zo6 s
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Racer
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let see if I can get banned...
I am 35...
And you my friend are an i---t. Google it...
or is using google beyond your skill level.
I did not ask you for anything... I told you something.
I am 35...
And you my friend are an i---t. Google it...
or is using google beyond your skill level.
I did not ask you for anything... I told you something.
Last edited by frenchsquared; Mar 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM.
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From: South Western Ontario
I'm not sure I would bother with the FAST if you're planning forced induction. The LS6 intake would likely work. The FAST might get a bit more power though. I'd do headers first and a LS6 intake and then consider the FAST later. You can buy and sell a LS6 intake without losing any money.
The 6L engine could be a better starting point.
You can buy HPTuners if you plan to tune yourself or even do tweeking after the initial tune. Tuning yourself for things like headers really isn't that difficult. Plan on adding a wideband O2 to the HPTuners price.
Your stock drivetrain isn't capable with just a new clutch, especially running slicks. You can break it fairly easily even with $3k of upgrades depending on your driving style.
http://www.nhra.com/competition/alti...ookieSupport=1
12.3 @ 4.9k feet = 11.7 @ sea level
Not likely to be breaking into the 10's.
The 6L engine could be a better starting point.
You can buy HPTuners if you plan to tune yourself or even do tweeking after the initial tune. Tuning yourself for things like headers really isn't that difficult. Plan on adding a wideband O2 to the HPTuners price.
Your stock drivetrain isn't capable with just a new clutch, especially running slicks. You can break it fairly easily even with $3k of upgrades depending on your driving style.
http://www.nhra.com/competition/alti...ookieSupport=1
12.3 @ 4.9k feet = 11.7 @ sea level
Not likely to be breaking into the 10's.
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Racer
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I got the answer I wanted yesterday...
Look at my first question? I ASKED ABOUT AN INTAKE, I never started this bashing over forced induction. You all did that crap.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I keep answering the ones from you all.
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Does a fast 102 fit under a stock hood = no
Is the 102 or 92 better with forced injection = 92 but neither is needed
What do you all think about the hp tuner = Ignored, got that answer somewhere else.
I still might get the 92/92 because I like the look over the stock one.
I NEVER asked about forced induction
Look at my first question? I ASKED ABOUT AN INTAKE, I never started this bashing over forced induction. You all did that crap.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I keep answering the ones from you all.
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Does a fast 102 fit under a stock hood = no
Is the 102 or 92 better with forced injection = 92 but neither is needed
What do you all think about the hp tuner = Ignored, got that answer somewhere else.
I still might get the 92/92 because I like the look over the stock one.
I NEVER asked about forced induction
Safety Car
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14
Sometimes you need thick skin around here, the upside too taking a few blows now and then is the amazing knowledge here if you sit back and listen. Over the years people have paid a ton of money and learned from there mistakes. Save some money by the lessons of others. Not all of our members play well with others.
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Racer
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I'm not sure I would bother with the FAST if you're planning forced induction. The LS6 intake would likely work. The FAST might get a bit more power though. I'd do headers first and a LS6 intake and then consider the FAST later. You can buy and sell a LS6 intake without losing any money.
The 6L engine could be a better starting point.
You can buy HPTuners if you plan to tune yourself or even do tweeking after the initial tune. Tuning yourself for things like headers really isn't that difficult. Plan on adding a wideband O2 to the HPTuners price.
Your stock drivetrain isn't capable with just a new clutch, especially running slicks. You can break it fairly easily even with $3k of upgrades depending on your driving style.
http://www.nhra.com/competition/alti...ookieSupport=1
12.3 @ 4.9k feet = 11.7 @ sea level
Not likely to be breaking into the 10's.
The 6L engine could be a better starting point.
You can buy HPTuners if you plan to tune yourself or even do tweeking after the initial tune. Tuning yourself for things like headers really isn't that difficult. Plan on adding a wideband O2 to the HPTuners price.
Your stock drivetrain isn't capable with just a new clutch, especially running slicks. You can break it fairly easily even with $3k of upgrades depending on your driving style.
http://www.nhra.com/competition/alti...ookieSupport=1
12.3 @ 4.9k feet = 11.7 @ sea level
Not likely to be breaking into the 10's.
Headers might be a waste if I go with turbos. So I need to hold off on those.
I like the look of the fast and would rather just buy it then mod the LS6 intake.
I agree the LS6 intake would work just as well.
12.3 @ 4.9k feet = 11.7 that does seem correct based on the math.
Racers like to talk there cars up. I have never had mine at sea level to prove it. I hear every time I go to the track how slow there car is up here.
Last edited by frenchsquared; Mar 8, 2013 at 10:17 AM.
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If your planning to go forced induction then you could definitely get by with the LS6 intake no problem and save some cash for other things, I will warn you get ready to spend some dough, it adds up quick, Real quick
Last edited by skydiven4fun; Mar 8, 2013 at 02:29 PM.
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I had one of the first set up TF heads, and I've never tried AFRs, but I think they cost and perform fairly equally. If I were building a motor for racing/fun I'd probably go with the iron block variety with the most CI for the $$$. Heads are a nice gain, but really, a couple of lbs of boost is far cheaper to get a better result. Spend on the best valvetrain, and rotating parts you can buy. LS3 style heads flow better than cathedral heads, and you can use a LS3 intake setup, which is way cheaper than a FAST, and probably as effective.
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will this fit under the stock hood?
http://www.kmjent.com/cart/gm-chevy-...old-102mm.html
Summit makes it sound like it wont. I dont want to change the hood.
http://www.kmjent.com/cart/gm-chevy-...old-102mm.html
Summit makes it sound like it wont. I dont want to change the hood.
Just do a blower kit and be done with it. Car is old anyway
Le Mans Master
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From: Orlando FL
I want a framed dyno sheet showing 750hp.
I dont want 12's I can already do that. I want 9's
Anyone can buy a $100k car and go fast.
Very few can build that same car from the ground up.
And a $35k 500hp C6 is basically the same base engine and is a
waste of the additional $10k.
Again, I don't want 500hp I have that.
My cars are toy not investments.
I never get back what I put into a car.
I seldom sell them because of this.
Any real gear head will understand the love of building a car and not buying it.
I dont want 12's I can already do that. I want 9's
Anyone can buy a $100k car and go fast.
Very few can build that same car from the ground up.
And a $35k 500hp C6 is basically the same base engine and is a
waste of the additional $10k.
Again, I don't want 500hp I have that.
My cars are toy not investments.
I never get back what I put into a car.
I seldom sell them because of this.
Any real gear head will understand the love of building a car and not buying it.
How about this: Over the years I have lerned that throwing $$ with out a plan will get you an empty wallet and a low 12 second car. You need to plan out the final configuration of car. Then review all the pros and cons drivability net $$ outlay etc. Then you can move forward. The people on this forum have a wealth of knowledge and are eager to share, but without a final destonation other than a random RWHP # (that is lofty) its hard to help!!my .02
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BTW, the intake in your link might be made for the rectangular port LS3 heads, ( don't know it they're universal) so that's not the right FAST for you. I read they are re-releasing the 92.
Last edited by zeevette; Mar 11, 2013 at 05:58 PM.
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Interesting thread. I don't think the responses were to talk the OP out of building a 700hp c5...only to be reasonable with goals.
I won't throw around my age, experience, or front like I know it all. However, I have learned from other builds on this forum that with a lot of power the tranny wont hold up with just a clutch upgrade. (I know, already covered in prior posts)
Anyways, best of luck with your build frenchsquared. Hope you take all the criticism constructively and I look forward to progress updates!
I won't throw around my age, experience, or front like I know it all. However, I have learned from other builds on this forum that with a lot of power the tranny wont hold up with just a clutch upgrade. (I know, already covered in prior posts)
Anyways, best of luck with your build frenchsquared. Hope you take all the criticism constructively and I look forward to progress updates!