CAGS Defeat . . . Why???
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CAGS Defeat . . . Why???
OK so everyone is talking about how important it is to have a CAGS defeat installed. I finally got my new '02 6 speed last Friday - the first time I have every had a manual trans in a Vette - and it seems as though I have been forced to skip shift like twice. It would seem to me that unless you drive like an old lady, there wouldn't even been a need for this!
Is my viewpoint wrong or will the time come when I finally realize that I should have installed it? I thought we were supposed to drive these cars like we stole 'em!
Is my viewpoint wrong or will the time come when I finally realize that I should have installed it? I thought we were supposed to drive these cars like we stole 'em!
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
Your right! Just drive through it. But what happened to me is that after 18000 miles, well sometimes I just drive it like a regular car and cags could hit you then. Actually when I purchased my 2001 brand new with 7 miles on it, the only thing that was defective was that my cags didn't work! Poor me!
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
OK so everyone is talking about how important it is to have a CAGS defeat installed. I finally got my new '02 6 speed last Friday - the first time I have every had a manual trans in a Vette - and it seems as though I have been forced to skip shift like twice. It would seem to me that unless you drive like an old lady, there wouldn't even been a need for this!
Is my viewpoint wrong or will the time come when I finally realize that I should have installed it? I thought we were supposed to drive these cars like we stole 'em!
Is my viewpoint wrong or will the time come when I finally realize that I should have installed it? I thought we were supposed to drive these cars like we stole 'em!
Burning Brakes
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
Spot on, my son. If you drive gently and are keeping the revs down in mild traffic then you'll be nudged to skip a shift -- and that's what the CAGS is meant to do.
However, if you actually want to row through through the gears you absolutely can, and will, drive straight through the CAGS. No bypass needed.
So, there you go. You just saved yourself 75 cents from radio shack or 20 bucks from a supporting vendor if you wanted a plug to go with your 2K2 resistor ;)
However, if you actually want to row through through the gears you absolutely can, and will, drive straight through the CAGS. No bypass needed.
So, there you go. You just saved yourself 75 cents from radio shack or 20 bucks from a supporting vendor if you wanted a plug to go with your 2K2 resistor ;)
Burning Brakes
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (chocoholic)
See a tuner with LS1 edit and just turn the whole mess off. Cags bypass only turns off the skip shift but the light will remain. GM actually saved us money in the Gass Guzzler tax now it is our job to defeat it. :smash: :smash: :seeya
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
Is my viewpoint wrong or will the time come when I finally realize that I should have installed it? I thought we were supposed to drive these cars like we stole 'em!
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (EMDExpress)
Why?
I've experienced the CAGS interlock in all manner of traffic but even in New York with some of the dumbest and most stupid drivers I have ever seen (and I have driven all over the world) I've never had a safety issue with it. As for the light being on for a second, well, I can live with it. Sorry.
For what it matters, I too expected to install a CAGS bypass but once I found out that all one had to do was press the go pedal a bit harder it was like "well, duh"...
As the original poster said everyone knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who once couldn't get into the right gear but CAGS works changing up and I've never been stopped getting into second or third when I've really needed to. Perhaps if one coasts instead of being in the correct gear then it could be a problem but I can't address that case.
I've experienced the CAGS interlock in all manner of traffic but even in New York with some of the dumbest and most stupid drivers I have ever seen (and I have driven all over the world) I've never had a safety issue with it. As for the light being on for a second, well, I can live with it. Sorry.
For what it matters, I too expected to install a CAGS bypass but once I found out that all one had to do was press the go pedal a bit harder it was like "well, duh"...
As the original poster said everyone knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who once couldn't get into the right gear but CAGS works changing up and I've never been stopped getting into second or third when I've really needed to. Perhaps if one coasts instead of being in the correct gear then it could be a problem but I can't address that case.
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (chocoholic)
It would seem to me that unless you drive like an old lady, there wouldn't even been a need for this!
Is my viewpoint wrong
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (Mike Mercury)
It is like options in my opinion. Many people have to have all the bells and whistles even though they are rarely used. You really don't have to get on it from my experience. A quick shift with minimal throttle an you can go to 2nd. In traffic and need to get out of somebodys way stay in first and nail it. Putt along and shift and you get 4th, but the car still can accelerate (at least the Z06), or down shift to 3rd or 2nd and go.
I too ordered one with all the hype, but later I may enjoy the lazy shift to 4th with CAG reminder/assist and remove it.
I too ordered one with all the hype, but later I may enjoy the lazy shift to 4th with CAG reminder/assist and remove it.
Drifting
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Re: CAGS Defeat .
I totally agree with what allanlaw wrote. I bought a car with a manual transmission so that I can choose what gear to use. Otherwise, I would have bought a car with an auto. Some software writer, aka engineer, decided when to lock out 2nd gear. I know CAGS was designed to lessen emissions, but I average 25 mpg by careful driving anyway.
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
Had three GM cars with 6 speeds and CAGS. All three I disabled it. I want to choose the gears not the car. If I wanted the car to choose a gear, I would buy an auto :yesnod: . In my Z28, it caught me off guard a few times and I couldn't get second when I wanted it, so I disabled it. The second and third cars, I had the part on order even before I had the car.
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (EMDExpress)
See a tuner with LS1 edit and just turn the whole mess off. Cags bypass only turns off the skip shift but the light will remain. GM actually saved us money in the Gass Guzzler tax now it is our job to defeat it. :smash: :smash: :seeya
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
Always hit me when I was behind someone, at a light, making a left turn. I don't like the surprise of not being able to shift to second gear and dumping it to fourth leaves the car way low on rpms.
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
I didn't think it was that big of a deal either when I got my MN6. But I got so frustrated when turning through an intersection and having to go to 4th, I said "enough of this." Got the CAGs eliminator and haven't regreted it since. Do it! You won't regret.
BTW, welcome!! :cheers:
BTW, welcome!! :cheers:
Radio shack is the ticket. :cheers:
Burning Brakes
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From: Richmond Texas
Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? ('99Hardtop)
I sometimes just like to cruise in my dad's. And I let it drop it to fourth. Or, I'll just take first to about 3000, and drop it into fourth on my own. I noticed, that I either accelerate so slowly that it won't kick on, or to fast for it to kick on. But if I hit it just right, and it comes on, I'll take it to about 19 or so mph and it kicks off. I don't mind it. I usually drive it kinda hard anyways. :D
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Re: CAGS Defeat . . . Why??? (STRSHP)
I never had a probelm with CAGS, so I dont worry about it.
I think GM put it in the car to punish those of you that drive like a sissy.
If you shift without thinking, you should have an autoshifter
If you have to have everything perfict and your own way, get the defeat.
The truth is CAGS is not important and really not worth all the attention it gets. :cheers: :cheers:
I think GM put it in the car to punish those of you that drive like a sissy.
If you shift without thinking, you should have an autoshifter
If you have to have everything perfict and your own way, get the defeat.
The truth is CAGS is not important and really not worth all the attention it gets. :cheers: :cheers: