Cam ???
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Cam ???
What do you guys think about a 230/238-113 .605 lift or a 230/234-112 .605 , 3.42's for being a DD in an A4 2800 stall....xzo
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Id consider smaller for street. Not that its too much, but a lot of guys think big sexy numbers mean they have a bad *** car.. But they loose the important low end power for street use. It would work with a good tune. But it also wont work well with your converter. 2800 stall is pretty small. Consider the cams powerband. You need to do some research on this and ask a lot of questions. If for example it starts making power at 3500 - 4000 rpm, your converter will be useless and the car sluggish as hell until it gets into the powerband.
After market heads or nicely ported 243's will be needed to make use of that cam as well. I have a 220/228 cam that makes around as much power as guys with similar mods and bigger cams because the heads/cid are simply maxed out. Going big wont do you any good unless it has all the support, IE correct stall, free flowing heads, intake, exhaust, etc.
After market heads or nicely ported 243's will be needed to make use of that cam as well. I have a 220/228 cam that makes around as much power as guys with similar mods and bigger cams because the heads/cid are simply maxed out. Going big wont do you any good unless it has all the support, IE correct stall, free flowing heads, intake, exhaust, etc.
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I think the best all around cam Ive seen on here for street use is the 224r or 228r cam that Texasspeed offers. It pretty much makes full use of the LS1's potential and keeps very good low end power. Your stall would be much more friendly for this cam too.
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Im running the 224/228 now AI heads, 3.42's kooks lts, ls6 intake, PP trottlebody, xpipe, and axelbacks, and hf cats but only making 400 rwhp was wanting just a little more....xzo
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AI heads are very good from what I hear. Im sure with a bigger cam and a FAST intake you will make 420-430. Heck even if you made 450.. its just numbers. Like I said, daily drivers benefit from low end torque over high end horse power. A 400 whp C5 set up with the right converter, gears, and tires will eat a 500 whp C5 without a proper set up.
I know a guy right now that ran quicker ET's before doing a heads and cam swap. Hes frustrated, but guess what, power means little when the gears (and in the case of an auto), the converter is not proper for the cams operating range.
I'm even going through the same thing. My 3200 stall is not quite good enough for my (what would be considered) small cam. But you have to way the pros and cons. Yes I could be quicker with a 4000 stall converter, but the car is to remain a daily driver. So no.
In your case, you have a 2800 stall. Will the car be quicker with a larger cam? Odds are, no. You will have sexy numbers on the high end. But you already have a larger cam than I do and a smaller stall. I think you will not benefit from a larger cam at all. It could even make you slower. Your converter will not stall enough to allow that cam to make power off the line.
I know a guy right now that ran quicker ET's before doing a heads and cam swap. Hes frustrated, but guess what, power means little when the gears (and in the case of an auto), the converter is not proper for the cams operating range.
I'm even going through the same thing. My 3200 stall is not quite good enough for my (what would be considered) small cam. But you have to way the pros and cons. Yes I could be quicker with a 4000 stall converter, but the car is to remain a daily driver. So no.
In your case, you have a 2800 stall. Will the car be quicker with a larger cam? Odds are, no. You will have sexy numbers on the high end. But you already have a larger cam than I do and a smaller stall. I think you will not benefit from a larger cam at all. It could even make you slower. Your converter will not stall enough to allow that cam to make power off the line.
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AI heads are very good from what I hear. Im sure with a bigger cam and a FAST intake you will make 420-430. Heck even if you made 450.. its just numbers. Like I said, daily drivers benefit from low end torque over high end horse power. A 400 whp C5 set up with the right converter, gears, and tires will eat a 500 whp C5 without a proper set up.
I know a guy right now that ran quicker ET's before doing a heads and cam swap. Hes frustrated, but guess what, power means little when the gears (and in the case of an auto), the converter is not proper for the cams operating range.
I'm even going through the same thing. My 3200 stall is not quite good enough for my (what would be considered) small cam. But you have to way the pros and cons. Yes I could be quicker with a 4000 stall converter, but the car is to remain a daily driver. So no.
In your case, you have a 2800 stall. Will the car be quicker with a larger cam? Odds are, no. You will have sexy numbers on the high end. But you already have a larger cam than I do and a smaller stall. I think you will not benefit from a larger cam at all. It could even make you slower. Your converter will not stall enough to allow that cam to make power off the line.
I know a guy right now that ran quicker ET's before doing a heads and cam swap. Hes frustrated, but guess what, power means little when the gears (and in the case of an auto), the converter is not proper for the cams operating range.
I'm even going through the same thing. My 3200 stall is not quite good enough for my (what would be considered) small cam. But you have to way the pros and cons. Yes I could be quicker with a 4000 stall converter, but the car is to remain a daily driver. So no.
In your case, you have a 2800 stall. Will the car be quicker with a larger cam? Odds are, no. You will have sexy numbers on the high end. But you already have a larger cam than I do and a smaller stall. I think you will not benefit from a larger cam at all. It could even make you slower. Your converter will not stall enough to allow that cam to make power off the line.
Good stuff! I recently swapped cams. I had a bigger cam and it made great power up top but was a dog down low. I switched to a smaller cam and my car feels faster due to the increase in torque. I only lost 13 peak HP but gained torque. Instead of making power from 3000 - 7000 its now 2400 - 6800.
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Gears for sure. And yes, the 228r would be a good street cam. I usually recommend the 224r because it is known to pass emissions. May help as a selling point in the future. And the difference would only be 5 or so horse. Also the 224 is fine with the stock converter, though an upgrade would still be beneficial.
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If you don't mind a little shake at stop lights, and the lope of the cam, I'd say go for it. I had a G5X3 112lsa, but ran 3:73 gears with a 3600 stall...AWESOME combo and drove it a lot. As long as the tune is spot on and you don't mind the lope, I don't see why you couldn't DD that combo.