Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit??
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Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit??
I know most Dyno Tunes are $400-500 and up and a Dyno that consists of 3 runs goes for $75...
If I have my LS1-edit and I go do the $75 Dyno Runs what do I need to complete the job myself? Is the info that comes from a Dyno run useful? Or dO I need to be running Autotap too?
If I have my LS1-edit and I go do the $75 Dyno Runs what do I need to complete the job myself? Is the info that comes from a Dyno run useful? Or dO I need to be running Autotap too?
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit?? (chuckster)
The dyno has to have a wideband o2 sensor...some do some don't...they'll charge more for it's use... ~ $125 for an hour total dyno/wb......then you need ls1 edit and autotap to monitor the changes.... you'll need a time rental as 3 pulls is not enough....and you really need to understand the complications of the changes to properly tune the car. Good Luck! :cheers:
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit?? (chuckster)
You can do 80% of the tuning process on the road with just Autotap and LS1Edit... First off get your LTFTs to average in the slight negatives by manipulating the MAF table. Then make sure you have no KR at any different RPM area by monitoring with Autotap and making changes to the High Octane Timing Advance table. Once you have these done, then you are ready for the dyno. All you will use the dyno for is your A/F at Wide Open Throttle. Get your A/F graph printout from the dyno's wide band 02 and try to aim for a 13.0 A/F by adding and subtracting percentages of fuel from the PE vs RPM table (Power Enrichment Mode - WOT) in the appropriate RPM areas to get as flat of a A/F graph as possible at WOT on the dyno. That is really all there is to it.. You should be able to do that in 3-4 dyno runs most likely..
[Modified by MattG, 9:59 AM 9/7/2002]
[Modified by MattG, 9:59 AM 9/7/2002]
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit??
With that in mind....two things:
a) Are there any Dyno's with a wideband o2 sensor in Southern California?
b) How many people in the neighborhood play enough with LS1edit enough to be able and willing to help for a fee?
I know someone who has significant experience in tuning, and I think I will use their help for a fee, but I'm also looking for a dyno in Southern California with widebands.
Here's the deal: MMS wants $800 for a dyno tune. That's 3-500 more than a lot of other tuners - Extreme, for example... While I appreciate the work and talent that may go behind this, I've known of people who have specifically asked that he not lock their files so they can continue to tune, and...regardless, the file was locked.
That's not aloha!
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to learn how to self tune your car, without having to pay $800 a crack everytime you do a mod? We don't mind spending money on our cars, or paying for someone's tuning talent and coaching, obviously, but we're looking for different product than we're getting....
opinions?
a) Are there any Dyno's with a wideband o2 sensor in Southern California?
b) How many people in the neighborhood play enough with LS1edit enough to be able and willing to help for a fee?
I know someone who has significant experience in tuning, and I think I will use their help for a fee, but I'm also looking for a dyno in Southern California with widebands.
Here's the deal: MMS wants $800 for a dyno tune. That's 3-500 more than a lot of other tuners - Extreme, for example... While I appreciate the work and talent that may go behind this, I've known of people who have specifically asked that he not lock their files so they can continue to tune, and...regardless, the file was locked.
That's not aloha!
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to learn how to self tune your car, without having to pay $800 a crack everytime you do a mod? We don't mind spending money on our cars, or paying for someone's tuning talent and coaching, obviously, but we're looking for different product than we're getting....
opinions?
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit?? (heartless)
With that in mind....two things:
Here's the deal: MMS wants $800 for a dyno tune. That's 3-500 more than a lot of other tuners - Extreme, for example... While I appreciate the work and talent that may go behind this, I've known of people who have specifically asked that he not lock their files so they can continue to tune, and...regardless, the file was locked.
Here's the deal: MMS wants $800 for a dyno tune. That's 3-500 more than a lot of other tuners - Extreme, for example... While I appreciate the work and talent that may go behind this, I've known of people who have specifically asked that he not lock their files so they can continue to tune, and...regardless, the file was locked.
We charge $795 for dyno tune on N/A applications. S/C may be more depending on the extent of modifications. I will gladly do a mail order program for $495. This is the norm for a mail order setup. For and add'l$ 300 you are getting a true custom tune on our dyno with a wideband O2 sensor.
I don't twist anybodies arm to come to us, but for most people it makes sense. Why spend $550 for LS1 edit and then have to pay for dyno and wideband on top of that, especially if you are not familiar with PCM tuning and may never get it right? We also give discounts to all return customers who need reprogramming if they make major modifications down the road.
I agree if you just have a few boltons, attempting to tune on your own can be a rewarding experience. But for those that have extensive modifications, self-tuning may not be cost effective nor produce the desired results.
[Modified by Mike Morgan, 2:44 PM 9/7/2002]
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit?? (Mike Morgan)
Point taken...I'm very interested in getting my car tuned after a friend of mine does heads and cam...
As you know, we're all trying to make the most we can, and we understand we get what we pay for.
You mean - you've *never* locked a customer's PCM?
As you know, we're all trying to make the most we can, and we understand we get what we pay for.
You mean - you've *never* locked a customer's PCM?
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit?? (Mike Morgan)
With that in mind....two things:
Here's the deal: MMS wants $800 for a dyno tune. That's 3-500 more than a lot of other tuners - Extreme, for example... While I appreciate the work and talent that may go behind this, I've known of people who have specifically asked that he not lock their files so they can continue to tune, and...regardless, the file was locked.
It cracks me up when I read stuff like this. I wonder where people get this misinformation from.
Here's the deal: MMS wants $800 for a dyno tune. That's 3-500 more than a lot of other tuners - Extreme, for example... While I appreciate the work and talent that may go behind this, I've known of people who have specifically asked that he not lock their files so they can continue to tune, and...regardless, the file was locked.
It cracks me up when I read stuff like this. I wonder where people get this misinformation from.
In Southern California I believe Jim Hall also does LS-1 Dyno Tuning. I think it would be cool to setup an LS1-edit program for Racing and one for the streets so you can upload either one depending on your application. Jim could get you dialed in, then you can tweak from there as you learn LS1-edit better and add mods. Mike...can you program more than one program so that we can switch between 2 with our LS1-edit? Can we save your program with the LS1-edit? I'm not sure how this works :confused:
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Re: Dyno Tune with our Own LS1-Edit?? (RCswish)
Sorry misread it. I can do multiple programs. There will be parameters that you will not see with LS1 edit, but when it flashes the PCM all info will be there. So yes you can use edit over our program.
