Pull Key, Wait 10 seconds
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Pull Key, Wait 10 seconds
Hi Folks
I'm new member having recently picked up a 2000 Coupe, this car has all the quirks that I'm reading about in the forums, love the car and will deal with them one by one. The one that is driving me crazy is the "Pull Key" issue, the car already had the CLB and CAGS bypasses installed, I replaced the battery with a #78 and replaced the ignition switch, which was badly pitted, new key and still get "Pull Key", whats left?
I'm new member having recently picked up a 2000 Coupe, this car has all the quirks that I'm reading about in the forums, love the car and will deal with them one by one. The one that is driving me crazy is the "Pull Key" issue, the car already had the CLB and CAGS bypasses installed, I replaced the battery with a #78 and replaced the ignition switch, which was badly pitted, new key and still get "Pull Key", whats left?
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Hi Folks
I'm new member having recently picked up a 2000 Coupe, this car has all the quirks that I'm reading about in the forums, love the car and will deal with them one by one. The one that is driving me crazy is the "Pull Key" issue, the car already had the CLB and CAGS bypasses installed, I replaced the battery with a #78 and replaced the ignition switch, which was badly pitted, new key and still get "Pull Key", whats left?
I'm new member having recently picked up a 2000 Coupe, this car has all the quirks that I'm reading about in the forums, love the car and will deal with them one by one. The one that is driving me crazy is the "Pull Key" issue, the car already had the CLB and CAGS bypasses installed, I replaced the battery with a #78 and replaced the ignition switch, which was badly pitted, new key and still get "Pull Key", whats left?
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One thing I did not do when I did the brown wire mod was disconnect the battery, does it need to be disconnected to reset the BCM ?
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Yes you should have disc. battery--try disc. now and wait 15 minutes and see what happens-also when you pull key out--do you hear 2 clicks comming from pass footwell?
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I disconnected the battery and did the mod as i did before, it makes it worse I get pull key and service CL, I do get two clicks whenI remove the key, I put it back the way it was for now
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The BCM is out of tune with LMC5--call Richard asap==could be a bad lmc5--he will know!!I would take everything apart and start over with lmc5 install--disc. battery first--wont take you long to do--MAKE SURE all wires go to correct space-on connectors-
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OK so I checked all the wires and they were correct, I installed a new LMC5, talking to Richard all the while, did the brown wire mod which again made it worse, back to original wiring, just Pull Key message occassionaly, no BCM codes of any importance, Richard says POSSIBLY the BCM, any thoughts or just deal with the message ?
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Can you expand on that? I have a '99 with the CLB. I have not had an issue so far. What problems can occur and exactly what needs to be done to prevent them, if I stay with the CLB? I have other things to spend the $50 on, if the CLB can be made to work reliably. We can take this to PM's so we don't muddy up this thread.
CLB on a 99 or 2000 will work if you have bypassed the Column Lock Relay. Otherwise they are problematic. . Last edited by Greg_E; Sep 19, 2016 at 07:15 PM.
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Old age creeping in again. 
I clarified the post above to state that the column lock relay needs to be bypassed on MANUAL trans 99 and 2000 cars. Is your 99 an automatic? If so then the CLB should work fine with no other special attention.
If your car is a manual trans then post that back here and I will continue in a PM what happens without bypassing the CLR.
I clarified the post above to state that the column lock relay needs to be bypassed on MANUAL trans 99 and 2000 cars. Is your 99 an automatic? If so then the CLB should work fine with no other special attention.If your car is a manual trans then post that back here and I will continue in a PM what happens without bypassing the CLR.
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There is a distinct difference between a CLB and an LMC5. What your car has is an LMC5. One MAJOR difference between a CLB and an LMC5 is that the CLB is installed under the drivers side knee bolster and relies on factory or recall wiring to function. The LMC5 is installed right at the BCM and therefore abandons all factory and recall wiring after the BCM.
I would ask you one question about the BCM in your car. Does it have any white residue/stains on the aluminum can that the BCM board is inside of?
If so then the BCM has most likely gotten wet at some point in its life and that can cause MANY strange problems with the electronics in the car, not just the column lock function.
I would be interested
I would ask you one question about the BCM in your car. Does it have any white residue/stains on the aluminum can that the BCM board is inside of?
If so then the BCM has most likely gotten wet at some point in its life and that can cause MANY strange problems with the electronics in the car, not just the column lock function.
I would be interested
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Try again to disconnect battery for 15 min..cant hurt--resets everything--but richarard is likley right--bcm is the culprit
The brown wire mode has fixed every out of tune BCM with the LMC5--with getting the service column or pull key message--this is a first-
The brown wire mode has fixed every out of tune BCM with the LMC5--with getting the service column or pull key message--this is a first-
Last edited by bobby777; Sep 19, 2016 at 08:31 PM.
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Old age creeping in again. I clarified the post above to state that the column lock relay needs to be bypassed on MANUAL trans 99 and 2000 cars. Is your 99 an automatic? If so then the CLB should work fine with no other special attention.
If your car is a manual trans then post that back here and I will continue in a PM what happens without bypassing the CLR.
I clarified the post above to state that the column lock relay needs to be bypassed on MANUAL trans 99 and 2000 cars. Is your 99 an automatic? If so then the CLB should work fine with no other special attention.If your car is a manual trans then post that back here and I will continue in a PM what happens without bypassing the CLR.
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OK its been over a month and still no solution, I can't be the only one that can't get rid of the "Pull Key" message, I've done the module replacement including the brown wire mod, new ignition switch, new key,new battery, checked the BCM grounds still get the message first start of the day and then intermittent the rest of the day. I've talked extensively to Richard and he too is puzzled, I know its only a nuisance but I want it GONE !!
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OK its been over a month and still no solution, I can't be the only one that can't get rid of the "Pull Key" message, I've done the module replacement including the brown wire mod, new ignition switch, new key,new battery, checked the BCM grounds still get the message first start of the day and then intermittent the rest of the day. I've talked extensively to Richard and he too is puzzled, I know its only a nuisance but I want it GONE !!
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