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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 04:35 PM
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I can see the tps signal through the torque app on my phone and its reading fine. Im wondering if the manifold isnt seated properly. I torqueD everything down to spec but it occurs to me upon cranking, I hear what I thought was a squeel but now I am thinking it may be a vaccuum leak.

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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 04:44 PM
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You have to go around several times with a torque wrench. When you tighten one the previous one gets looser as it seats down more and more.

I had to go around about 5 times with the same torque spec.
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You have to go around several times with a torque wrench. When you tighten one the previous one gets looser as it seats down more and more.

I had to go around about 5 times with the same torque spec.
I went around twice when I reinstalled. Went back and checked and retorqued everything. Also, hit the plugs with some brakekleen. I noticed there is a a lot of carbon built up around the plug holes. I tried to clean them out a bit and reinstalles the plugs after they were all clean. Tried to crank the car 3 more times pulles the plugs again.
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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 10:27 PM
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That doesn't look like enough carbon to keep it from firing. Even if there was a problem with those cylinders, the remaining cylinders should run unless there is a broken valve. There was no problem with valves before you replaced the intake though.

You could check the compression on the cylinder with the dirtiest plugs if you want reassurance.

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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 10:41 PM
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Yeah I will try that next. I cleaned the grounds so I will see if that helps.
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Old Jul 25, 2017 | 09:21 PM
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Quick update. Tonight I decided to try to take the intake tube off and look at the tb when it was starting since I have heard some popping on startup. It is backfiring in the intake it looks like. I would guess this is timing or lean condition. So cam sensor or injectors arent all firing?
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 12:33 AM
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why dont you take off the rails, put a towel under them and see if the injectors are spraying equally well?
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 07:56 AM
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why dont you take off the rails, put a towel under them and see if the injectors are spraying equally well?
not trying to start a fire in my garage lol

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Sounds like a cam sensor issue...any way you can get a scope on it and see if it's providing a square wave while cranking?
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Yeah, I ordered one and receive it today. Going to probably swap it tonight.
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Replaced the sensor and no change. Still backfiring through the intake. However, a couple of the cylinder head ports are wet and it almost seems like water/condensation mixed with fuel. This is startimg to make wonder about the gas in the car now.
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pull the fuel pump fuse and try starting it on ether/starting fluid. Remove the fuel in the car from the equation
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pull the fuel pump fuse and try starting it on ether/starting fluid. Remove the fuel in the car from the equation
good idea. Will try this tonight
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You could drain some of the gas into a jar to inspect it.
I have heard of people getting bad gas on more than one occasion here.
Water is heaver and will sink to the bottom.
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Well, finally threw a cam sensor code. Replaced the cam sensor and it fired up. However, the car wont idle for more than a couple seconds without some throttle then it dies ans backfires out the exhaust. There is also a whine from the front of the engine which I think is just a bearing om one of the pulleys.

update: header on passenger side is hot but drivers side is completely cold so it seems none of the cylinders are firing

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Originally Posted by gibsonj4
Well, finally threw a cam sensor code. Replaced the cam sensor and it fired up. However, the car wont idle for more than a couple seconds without some throttle then it dies ans backfires out the exhaust. There is also a whine from the front of the engine which I think is just a bearing om one of the pulleys.

update: header on passenger side is hot but drivers side is completely cold so it seems none of the cylinders are firing


trying to keep this going here i just did an engine freshen and everything is back in order but i crank and no start, no codes, spark is good fp is 50lbs it just cranks and cranks no start. compression ok, injector pulses on my test light , voltage a bit low like 11.68 but after charging to 12.8 its still no stgart. i too get a small single liitle backfire once in a while from a single cylinder. its not even a backfire its like a small pop. valves are lashed proper i was thinking 1 tooth off on timing chain but it would still at least try to start and run it wont even do that. Should i get a small oil pressurre reading when cranking ? it stays at zero. my block was washed with the cam sesnor in it after the hone job i suspect but no codes how do i check this
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Old Aug 5, 2017 | 09:43 PM
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trying to keep this going here i just did an engine freshen and everything is back in order but i crank and no start, no codes, spark is good fp is 50lbs it just cranks and cranks no start. compression ok, injector pulses on my test light , voltage a bit low like 11.68 but after charging to 12.8 its still no stgart. i too get a small single liitle backfire once in a while from a single cylinder. its not even a backfire its like a small pop. valves are lashed proper i was thinking 1 tooth off on timing chain but it would still at least try to start and run it wont even do that. Should i get a small oil pressurre reading when cranking ? it stays at zero. my block was washed with the cam sesnor in it after the hone job i suspect but no codes how do i check this
check your coil harness. After I swap the cam sensor, it still wouldnt idle great. I had taken off the harness to test the coils ans it got put on backwards. Turned it aroumd and car runs great now.
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check your coil harness. After I swap the cam sensor, it still wouldnt idle great. I had taken off the harness to test the coils ans it got put on backwards. Turned it aroumd and car runs great now.
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your the man i went out and re oriented the coils from a pic off google, i had them in reversed as i couldnt remember the way they went in from dissassembly back in october. she fired right up and purrs like a kitten cant wait to break in the new skirt coatings and rings and see if she holds 15lbs without to much blowby. ps the new mantic clutch grabs like jack the bear.
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Nice work! I didn't know the coil harness could be reversed. Wish there was an error proof they had built in so that this problem would be avoided.
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Originally Posted by nitrouspaul
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your the man i went out and re oriented the coils from a pic off google, i had them in reversed as i couldnt remember the way they went in from dissassembly back in october. she fired right up and purrs like a kitten cant wait to break in the new skirt coatings and rings and see if she holds 15lbs without to much blowby. ps the new mantic clutch grabs like jack the bear.
awesome! Sometimes it is something little that creates big problems.
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