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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 09:19 PM
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I started researching trunnions after reading about replacing valve springs and found that some trunnions have oil slots. Some have oil slots made at the 1 o'clock/11 o'clock positions and some are made at the 2 o'clock/10 o'clock positions.

Is there a difference where the slots are located? Does one design make the oil flow better than the other?

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maybe get in touch with straub and they could give you a better answer... I do know they have changed the design slightly since first releasing their bronze bushing trunnion kits, this is what mine looked like when I got them about a year and a half ago

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I just saw another vendor that advertises that they have one channel and it is located at the 12 o'clock position on each side. So now there is a choice of no oil channel, one at 12 o'clock on each side, one at 1 and 11 on each side and one at 2 and 10 on each side. There has to be a reason, you would think.

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Check out the kit by CHE. They use a helical groove in the trunnion and bushing.
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Originally Posted by Rx7Rob
Check out the kit by CHE. They use a helical groove in the trunnion and bushing.
Are they selling a DIY kit, now? When I first looked into their bushings/trunnions, about 4-5 years ago, they were only selling them on an exchange deal, and it was in the $400 range.
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Old Dec 16, 2017 | 10:52 AM
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CHE trunnions have spiral grooves.

Can anyone tell me which design is best for channeling oil in and around trunnions?

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I just installed the Straub kit. Very nice kit. There are two grooves (the outer one is for the snap ring), and there's a flat spot that lets oil into the inner groove.

Honestly, I haven't heard of any of the kits failing because of an oiling issue. So while there may be some slight differences between brands, I think it's really just splitting hairs. The key is that there aren't needle bearings coming loose and playing mayhem in your motor.

Here's an installation video I made. At the beginning of the video there's a close up of the Straub trunnion and you can see the two grooves I mentioned.

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Staub kit has my vote.

Chris Staub emailed me and said: "The current design we have a flat milled at 12’oclock and an oil grove 360 degrees supplying oil. During long periods of non use, there is no chance of a dry start as the oil channel stays full of oil giving instant lubrication during start up."

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I had installed the CompCams kit, a number of years ago, when the stories of spit-out needle bearings, and the introduction of that kit both happened. Then came the stories of galled trunnions with the CompCams kit, so I switched to the Straub bushings. I will say, that the Straub kit makes for a quieter running engine.


Now if I could just figure out what to do with the CompCams kit.....
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Originally Posted by Spaggs
Staub kit has my vote.

Chris Staub emailed me and said: "The current design we have a flat milled at 12’oclock and an oil grove 360 degrees supplying oil. During long periods of non use, there is no chance of a dry start as the oil channel stays full of oil giving instant lubrication during start up."

Thanks bigmackloud for the video.

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I will add, I had a question during my install and called Straub. I thought it was pretty impressive that Chris Straub himself was the one to answer the phone. Excellent customer service.

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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
Now if I could just figure out what to do with the CompCams kit.....
trash maybe??... I don't remember yours being as bad as mine were but even if they were in good shape I wouldn't feel right letting someone else use them knowing what will eventually happen
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Originally Posted by neutron82
trash maybe??... I don't remember yours being as bad as mine were but even if they were in good shape I wouldn't feel right letting someone else use them knowing what will eventually happen
True, but I just hate to throw potentially useful stuff away. I'm not a hoarder, but I always look at stuff, and think that just MAYBE there's a use for it.

I think that in the various discussions we found ourselves in, with respect to these trunnions, that we concluded that as long as you weren't running an exceptionally high lift cam, along with a stiffer valve spring, the CompCams trunnions just might be a reasonable alternative to the OE needle bearings.
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aren't you still using the stock cam and springs?... I thought you were and if that's the case then something still made you switch to straubs... not trying to start an argument or anything and I know your comps had far less wear than mine but we now know what will ultimately happen to them so personally I will never recommend them to anyone regardless of the cam/spring choice
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I'm running 100% stock, except for a massive oil cooler, oil catch can, Katech serpentine pulley, Blue GM Springs, Gatorback belts and Water Wetter. I just don't want any surprises when I'm thrashing at an HPDE.

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I have the smith bros kit... the oil groves are in the trunnion and not the bushings...


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Originally Posted by neutron82
aren't you still using the stock cam and springs?... I thought you were and if that's the case then something still made you switch to straubs...
Yes, I have the stock cam and springs. I switched to the Straub kit, because I like having the most current stuff, and when something seems to be an upgrade, whenever the $$$ permit.


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Originally Posted by ASRoff
I have the smith bros kit... the oil groves are in the trunnion and not the bushings...


To the best of my knowledge, ALL of the bushing kits have the oil passages in the trunnion......
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I think all the different designs are a result of everyone copying each other's products, but changing it just enough to avoid getting sued.
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