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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 12:01 PM
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I have a 04 C5 that have after market cold air intake and Cora’s cat back exhaust and 95,700 miles. I’m thinking about getting a tuner for my vette. I’m looking for some direction of what’s the best one or if I shouldn’t get one. Any help that anyone can provide would be great. Thanks for your help you can provide.

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I have no personal experience, but have read the tuners like a Diablo are limited in what they can do.

HP Tuners seems to be the best, but it costs more and you may need a laptop, also you really need to know what you are doing.

Or mail your Engine control module to east coast supercharging and have them do a tune, was on sale for 150.00 last time I checked.

Only bad thing is car can't be driven while ECM is out.

I was thinking if I get some long tube headers, and a Vararam air intake, I would send my ECM to East coast supercharging to have it adjusted.

I think once you start doing cam, heads, supercharger etc you need a local tuning shop with a dyno to really see what's going on with the car. $$$
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Originally Posted by Bad Boyz
I have a 04 C5 that have after market cold air intake and Cora’s cat back exhaust and 95,700 miles. I’m thinking about getting a tuner for my vette. I’m looking for some direction of what’s the best one or if I shouldn’t get one. Any help that anyone can provide would be great. Thanks for your help you can provide.

IMO you best having a local reputable LS shop dyno tune your car. We charge $450 for the dyno time and tuning with HPTuners on bolt on C5's. Most of the hand helds are much more than this for limited access.
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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 07:20 PM
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Thanks for your input HorsePower Addict. It makes sense to me.If I buy a tuner I still don’t kn ow what I’m doing with it. I live about 45 miles north west of Nashville. There’s a business there, DBR, that does this work and I think I’m going to see them about getting a little more power. Thank you so much for your reply.
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Originally Posted by Bad Boyz
Thanks for your input HorsePower Addict. It makes sense to me.If I buy a tuner I still don’t kn ow what I’m doing with it. I live about 45 miles north west of Nashville. There’s a business there, DBR, that does this work and I think I’m going to see them about getting a little more power. Thank you so much for your reply.
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Unless it's an auto, it's not worth tuning just for a CAI and catback. If it is an auto, it would be worth it for the extra responsiveness the tuner can add in the operation of the transmission.
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^^^this....

if you add headers then you will want to make some adjustments otherwise you probably won't see anything worth the money
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Do you have a real CAI or just an aftermarket air intake (using heated engine air like the original). If it is true cold air intake, you can benefit from a tune, an auto then you will greatly appreciate a tune. For most stock engines, you PCM has about 96K of tune-able information so the hp gains are very small, however the intermediate gains (lower rpms) can be better felt because you will spend most of your time in the 2000-5000 rpm range and a good tuner can optimize your use in that area.
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No need for anything more than our $149 mail in tune special for basic bolt on mods.
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I do have an automatic transmission, and the K&M CAI is the 63-1050 model. I really what to try a tuner but I’m not sure if I know enough to be able to use it As it was intended to be used. Thank you for your input, I do I’m going to do somedthing just not sure what.
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Could you sent me information on your mail in tune special.. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
No need for anything more than our $149 mail in tune special for basic bolt on mods.
ECS tuned my 99 A4 with exhaust and intake w/good results. Responsiveness was much improved with better shift points and a little more pull. Mail order was efficient and quick NJ to CT. Worth doing! Thanks Doug.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Unless it's an auto, it's not worth tuning just for a CAI and catback. If it is an auto, it would be worth it for the extra responsiveness the tuner can add in the operation of the transmission.
Many people in the thread I link below will disagree with you on that but to each his own.

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Could you sent me information on your mail in tune special.. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Here is a link to our mail order tuning thread, possibly the longest thread on this forum to be continuously on the first page. Over 1,500 replies and 211,000 views, you can rest assured we have this down pat.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...nly-149-a.html

And a link to our site;
https://www.eastcoastsupercharging.com/pcm-tuning
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Lets see, we have 2 facts of the forums:
- Generally people don't tell others how they wasted money.
- Generally forum vendors can easily get undesired posted erased from their threads.

So, posts on the forum really don't prove anything...

As I first posted, tuning the operation of the automatic transmission is what will make the only noticeable difference. Tuning for a CAI on a manual is a waste of time and money.

There is also that farm animal "fix" for the throttle response that makes the car feel faster because the throttle becomes an on-off switch.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Lets see, we have 2 facts of the forums:
- Generally people don't tell others how they wasted money.
- Generally forum vendors can easily get undesired posted erased from their threads.

So, posts on the forum really don't prove anything...

As I first posted, tuning the operation of the automatic transmission is what will make the only noticeable difference. Tuning for a CAI on a manual is a waste of time and money.

There is also that farm animal "fix" for the throttle response that makes the car feel faster because the throttle becomes an on-off switch.

Laughed at the last sentence, however, I cannot have negative posts removed from the forum. The forum will limit a negative response to one post though so an out of control poster does not spam the forum with negative posts.

Reading the 1500 responses in our mail order thread would take some time, but in there you will find many who posted their ET drop after the tune was done. Kind of hard to argue with that one. You will also find a negative post or two, but out of thousands of mail order tunes, I would say that's a pretty darn good ratio.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Lets see, we have 2 facts of the forums:
- Generally people don't tell others how they wasted money.
- Generally forum vendors can easily get undesired posted erased from their threads.
There was a Camaro forum that deleted anything bad that was posted about Florida Speed and Power FSP. It was because a moderator got free stuff from them. Then the shop crashed and went out of business. A moderator MLEE still tries to defend them even though people were out $1000s of dollars. This forum isn't as bad. The forums are great for searching if you have a problem with your car, But word of mouth at car shows and car clubs is how I get most of my business. Cant moderator that.

You'll find most shops that have been around a while, really do try to do the right thing for the customers, but its hard to please everyone.

20% of my clients are stock to cold air intake, 40% are bolt ons, Headers, Cold air intake, 35% are cammed up, and 5% are aftermarket supercharged.

Ive yet to have someone say they haven't enjoyed their performance gains regardless of their level of modifications.

I get a ton of guys that hate their Torque Management interference ,Skip shift, Active Fuel Management, heat soak pulling timing, delay to Power Enrichment, running rich from the factory, and their fans not kicking on earlier to keep the engine cooler. The Automatics get the extra bonus with firmer and shorter shifts.
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Then if they return with more modifications, they get a discounted touch up rate.

So, I think if your going to be happy with the gains you get when you spend $350 bucks on a cold air intake, Im sure you'll be happier adding a re-calibration to the mix of modifications.

Check out www.TampaTuning.com for what I change in your computer
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I had my car dyno tuned when I had only a CAI, cat back and a lower thermostat. I picked up 5hp/8lbs tq. The car felt a little snappier. My tuner also eliminated my skip shift, turned my skip shift indicator light into a shift light (really cool at night on the HUD), turned my fans on earlier to run cooler and adjusted my rev limiter. Was it worth the $350? Well, that's up to the customer. I'm sure Doug and his crew can do all of this as well via the mail and had I known about the mail order option I would have gone that route. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Old Jan 25, 2019 | 08:21 PM
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I would like to talk to you about doing a tune for me. Please get in touch with me when you have the time, thanks.

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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Lets see, we have 2 facts of the forums:
- Generally people don't tell others how they wasted money.
- Generally forum vendors can easily get undesired posted erased from their threads.

So, posts on the forum really don't prove anything...

As I first posted, tuning the operation of the automatic transmission is what will make the only noticeable difference. Tuning for a CAI on a manual is a waste of time and money.

There is also that farm animal "fix" for the throttle response that makes the car feel faster because the throttle becomes an on-off switch.
Dumb post....ECS does alot more with that mail order tune for that $150 price. Granted the tune for auto trannies is even better but they include the regular tuning plus TQ management, cooling fans, skip shift, A/F adjustment and AFM...So a "waste of time" is the uneducated statement of the year. Also IF the OP was planning on headers in the future he could request that tune setup now and be good after. I have no affiliation with ECS but i have used their tune after my longtubes and could not be happier for the whopping $150 bucks they charge.
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