Power Window
Last edited by STRMLNE; Dec 27, 2019 at 07:18 PM.
I guess I was influenced by an old story in a motoring book, about a new mechanic that was hired by Rolls Royce, back when they were pretty new. At his previous job , he adjusted the bumpers as they came off the line, with a couple of hammer taps. One of the owners, I don't remember which one, saw the big hammer in the bottom of the guys tool box, and fired the guy on the spot, saying rolls royce doesn't use hammers on the cars.
Just an old story, kind of dramatic, maybe it was a show for the other workers, might not even be true. But it does illustrate a mechanical philosophy that I think constructive.
AS you might know, the window motor is built inside a can, and over the years the carbon dust coming off the brushes forms a pile and once it gets big enough, it shorts out the motor. A shock or shake can settle the pile away from the commutator and restore function. If I were going to beat on the door for a solution, I would try closer to the motor, as one of the other posters suggested.
I paid about 35 bucks at auto zone parts store for a Mexican replacement motor, GM motors were also made in Mexico at the time, and the local parts store also guaranteed the part for life, so I figured one part would be as good as another.
It is a clean job, one can look at the job and see how to do it, no tricks or deep corvette experience needed. I didn't know better and broke a few clips holding the panel to the door, and unlike the skilled guys, I had to screw in the new motor to engage the screw drive, having only a dim understanding of the workings, unlike all the other reports of doing this task, where it assembled as easily as came apart. I also recovered an old socket from the bottom go the door that I could hear shift position on some turns, it was a used car.
Since my car is a convertible, I took great car not to move the window adjustments.
P,S, I am no snob, I have made some coins swinging a hammer, once or twice, in a distant past. I have also seen detailed postings about this repair, in case you can't find your hammer.
I guess I was influenced by an old story in a motoring book, about a new mechanic that was hired by Rolls Royce, back when they were pretty new. At his previous job , he adjusted the bumpers as they came off the line, with a couple of hammer taps. One of the owners, I don't remember which one, saw the big hammer in the bottom of the guys tool box, and fired the guy on the spot, saying rolls royce doesn't use hammers on the cars.
Just an old story, kind of dramatic, maybe it was a show for the other workers, might not even be true. But it does illustrate a mechanical philosophy that I think constructive.
AS you might know, the window motor is built inside a can, and over the years the carbon dust coming off the brushes forms a pile and once it gets big enough, it shorts out the motor. A shock or shake can settle the pile away from the commutator and restore function. If I were going to beat on the door for a solution, I would try closer to the motor, as one of the other posters suggested.
I paid about 35 bucks at auto zone parts store for a Mexican replacement motor, GM motors were also made in Mexico at the time, and the local parts store also guaranteed the part for life, so I figured one part would be as good as another.
It is a clean job, one can look at the job and see how to do it, no tricks or deep corvette experience needed. I didn't know better and broke a few clips holding the panel to the door, and unlike the skilled guys, I had to screw in the new motor to engage the screw drive, having only a dim understanding of the workings, unlike all the other reports of doing this task, where it assembled as easily as came apart. I also recovered an old socket from the bottom go the door that I could hear shift position on some turns, it was a used car.
Since my car is a convertible, I took great car not to move the window adjustments.
P,S, I am no snob, I have made some coins swinging a hammer, once or twice, in a distant past. I have also seen detailed postings about this repair, in case you can't find your hammer.
I only read the first 2 lines of this but no one said use a hammer. 2 or 3 quick fists to the door panel fixed a lot of these issues as documented repeatedly on this forum dating back almost 15 years. Relax my man. Everything will be ok.
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Last edited by STRMLNE; Dec 29, 2019 at 03:32 PM.
My main intent was to describe why this (impact) fix works, so the poster asking what is the likely cause can judge the problem with a little more insight. As we both know, few machines fix themselves back to normal function after failure , no matter the amount of blows or curses used in repair attempts.
I like simple and effective, and really like low cost fixes, but considered a hammer and an assistant a bit of overkill, if, in fact, one is just shaking a pile of dust away from the motor contacts. I tried to select a non judgmental objection, "not for me". , because I honor others attempts to promote friendly and effective knowledge. Almost all I know about my ride is from posts here.
I , hopefully, stated the reasons for my thinking, I wasn't trying to suggest that a sincere honest effort to help, that I haven't tried, and works, is an inferior path. Perhaps if I had impacted my motors dust pile more directly, I wouldn't even have replaced the motor, my attempts to restore function with my impacts didn't last long. Perhaps because of the convertible body style, and that both windows go up and down with the top, my captured commutator dust was a bigger pile than normal, I doubt it, but am glad I finally went on and replaced the problem part.
When I had the problem, my web searches mostly wanted to sell me a complete regulator assembly, I wouldn't want a person to think this was the only repair avenue, so I threw that in too, In my case, without a channel for the window, how the window hits the convertible top is a critical adjustment, and not something I would wish on another.
I once saved a ship from sinking by knowing when , in the start up of the main bilge pump, and where, to apply a sharp hammer blow, as the steam energized the piston. A story for another time, but it does show there is a time and place for that universal fix, "get a bigger hammer."
Gee whiz buddy, I could have sworn you gave my hypersensitive self some quick lifestyle advice, but my return objection to you was only in jest. I had hoped that was clear, but I restate my intent now, just in case you weren't, in fact, intentionally avoiding my friendly intent, to advance a need to start , and win, some kind of contest.
To be clear, I objected to the use of a hammer, for reasons stated in my post, not the design behind the method, if you need less words.
i resist using a hammer , and the method is not for me, are two very different statements than completely recommending against the suggestion, you mistakenly have interpreted my statements..
I had hoped this subtle distinction would not be lost to the reader, because my primary intent here is sharing friendship and knowledge, not to slam others.
After all, one of my first statements was my lack of expertise , to help provide a frame of reference , within which one could better judge my advice on this problem. One fo the things I omitted was the thinking that a hammer and myself around plastic body work would be a poor repair strategy , but since it wasn't universal, I left it out , and it wasn't that entertaining anyway.
In my link to the whack method, the one I read , in the tools needed , listed a hammer. perhaps your link was different, or again, not reading didn't serve your understanding as well as needed.
I only come here for fun, and because I learn a lot, not to nit pick with guys who object to posts they don't read. If I mis read your post as needlessly argumentative , I publicly apologize here and now.
Last edited by strand rider; Dec 29, 2019 at 05:09 PM.
To be clear, I objected to the use of a hammer, for reasons stated in my post, not the design behind the method, if you need less words.
i resist using a hammer , and the method is not for me, are two very different statements than completely recommending against the suggestion, you mistakenly have interpreted my statements..
I had hoped this subtle distinction would not be lost to the reader, because my primary intent here is sharing friendship and knowledge, not to slam others.
After all, one of my first statements was my lack of expertise , to help provide a frame of reference , within which one could better judge my advice on this problem. One fo the things I omitted was the thinking that a hammer and myself around plastic body work would be a poor repair strategy , but since it wasn't universal, I left it out , and it wasn't that entertaining anyway.
In my link to the whack method, the one I read , in the tools needed , listed a hammer. perhaps your link was different, or again, not reading didn't serve your understanding as well as needed.
I only come here for fun, and because I learn a lot, not to nit pick with guys who object to posts they don't read. If I mis read your post as needlessly argumentative , I publicly apologize here and now.
Last edited by STRMLNE; Dec 30, 2019 at 04:13 PM.












